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At this point it not even for lower prices. I'm into coffee, and Timemore products are cleaner and overall better at what I want than from european or US brand

At this point it not even for lower prices. I'm into coffee, and Timemore products are cleaner and overall better at what I want than from european or US brands. Same went for MUJI, who were never really cheap outside of Japan (and were just middle priced even domestically) but kept a foothold thanks to better and cleaner design. Increasingly Xiaomi's household products are also coming into that niche. Still daily using their driver set after 5 years.

maxglute 2y ago
>Xiaomi's household products are also coming into that niche. IMO Xiaomi, more than Apple carries on Braun legacy. Relatively well designed, performant, and accessible (cheap) consumer goods. No one else is even trying to build out an ecosystem like Xiaomi with underlying design language. Muji has some nice kitchen stuff/home appliances in Asian market, but they're expanding their portfolio very conservatively. Bonus for designing a Muji house filled with Muji goods. Wish I can order that from a Sears Catalogue.
- throwaway290 2y ago
  Once I rented a place with a pretty Xiaomi kettle and I'll never forget how I small ants came out from around the round button in the middle of the lid when I turned it on first time. I can't say "well designed" if it is just spamming plastic. In this case design or manufacturing defect ended up with big enough gaps in the plastic for insects to enter and all that space under plastic that is impossible to clean. It's a kitchen appliance after all. The lid button by the way is super inconvenient. You can't just pick up the kettle with a single hand and open lid while you are heading to fill it up. But sure it looks good to some I guess compared to more useful button on the handle a usual kettle has Never saw any other Xioami kettles since or before. Saw other products though. Didn't notice some sort of consistent design language. Aside from plastic being mostly white maybe? But even that not always true. I also thought its sensor is faulty because it keeps boiling water for more than 1 minute though maybe that's intentional? Bit later it seemed like metal inside was rusting. But that's more manufacturing than design.
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    For reference, that's how it looks now, if it was different: https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-electric-kettle-2/ https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-electric-kettle-2/ Looks basic enough for me, with the opening button on the handle, so they fixed it ?
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      They have a few different kettle models with buttons in different places and varying amounts of plastic like any other brand. This is just my experience with one model and thoughts on its "design" It was this year and kettle seemed brand new when I arrived, I guess it survived at most one other tenant. Not an old model for sure.
  - maxglute 2y ago
    Sounds like a dud $10 Mijia 1A with open button on lid - their lowest end model. Others have button on handle. I don't know any Xiaomi product with wide spread fitment issues, they're value engineered, but well assembled low-medium end consumer goods. Nice plastic, in Xiaomi white or black, occasionally orange accents. As well assembled as any western kit. Most of their kitchen appliance is some sort of knob and plastic covered button, very easy to clean/maintain. >consistent design language Less is more Dieter Ram, white/black, simple geometry with rounded edges, round oled display etc. It's very consistent. Especially considering they make nearly everything, from fridges, to cooktops, washing/dryer, to ACs, heaters, vacuums etc. Ultimately, they look nice, do the thing they do, for fraction of the price, i.e. affordable / actually make decent design available to masses. Bring "design" to low/medium income markets. Which is core to OG ethos/vision of modernism/functionalism.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      You got the model right, yes! > decent design it's not "decent design". "Design" is how things work. Button in the lid is bad design, excess poorly fit plastic (which costs some of that $10) is bad design. The kicker here is that it's both bad design and more expensive. > $10 Where you got that from? Quick search shows $20-30+ in most countries, that is mid range and more than other better budget kettles. It's even crazier in poorer countries like China or Philippines where $10-$12 is not just "a bit more", it literally buys you two or three kettles with better design (can open lid with single hand) and more capacity. And that's their lowest end price you say... Xiaomu is not "bringing decent design to the masses". This is duping "the masses" into spending more money on objectively worse product that they would have to throw away sooner. > dud No, other reviews about how button doesn't fully open lid or temperature sensor is off or rust are consistent. Seriously, it's just a badly put together product with zero innovation and worse quality sold at higher prices than equivalents. That's Xiaomi in my experience
- myspy 2y ago
  I've seen the small Muji house last year and thought it would be a nice addition in our garden :D
  - maxglute 2y ago
    I'm assuming you saw the "hut", there's a few models. https://www.muji.com/jp/mujihut/en.html https://www.muji.com/jp/mujihut/en.html They have a prefab house as well: https://www.dezeen.com/2020/01/16/muji-yo-no-ie-prefabricated-home/ https://www.dezeen.com/2020/01/16/muji-yo-no-ie-prefabricate...
    - myspy 2y ago
      Yeah, it was the hut. The other one is pretty cool too. I’d need something like the hut but with a small bathroom. Would be nice for guests.

maxglute 2y ago

>Xiaomi's household products are also coming into that niche. IMO Xiaomi, more than Apple carries on Braun legacy. Relatively well designed, performant, and accessible (cheap) consumer goods. No one else is even trying to build out an ecosystem like Xiaomi with underlying design language. Muji has some nice kitchen stuff/home appliances in Asian market, but they're expanding their portfolio very conservatively. Bonus for designing a Muji house filled with Muji goods. Wish I can order that from a Sears Catalogue.

throwaway290 2y ago
Once I rented a place with a pretty Xiaomi kettle and I'll never forget how I small ants came out from around the round button in the middle of the lid when I turned it on first time. I can't say "well designed" if it is just spamming plastic. In this case design or manufacturing defect ended up with big enough gaps in the plastic for insects to enter and all that space under plastic that is impossible to clean. It's a kitchen appliance after all. The lid button by the way is super inconvenient. You can't just pick up the kettle with a single hand and open lid while you are heading to fill it up. But sure it looks good to some I guess compared to more useful button on the handle a usual kettle has Never saw any other Xioami kettles since or before. Saw other products though. Didn't notice some sort of consistent design language. Aside from plastic being mostly white maybe? But even that not always true. I also thought its sensor is faulty because it keeps boiling water for more than 1 minute though maybe that's intentional? Bit later it seemed like metal inside was rusting. But that's more manufacturing than design.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  For reference, that's how it looks now, if it was different: https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-electric-kettle-2/ https://www.mi.com/global/product/xiaomi-electric-kettle-2/ Looks basic enough for me, with the opening button on the handle, so they fixed it ?
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    They have a few different kettle models with buttons in different places and varying amounts of plastic like any other brand. This is just my experience with one model and thoughts on its "design" It was this year and kettle seemed brand new when I arrived, I guess it survived at most one other tenant. Not an old model for sure.
- maxglute 2y ago
  Sounds like a dud $10 Mijia 1A with open button on lid - their lowest end model. Others have button on handle. I don't know any Xiaomi product with wide spread fitment issues, they're value engineered, but well assembled low-medium end consumer goods. Nice plastic, in Xiaomi white or black, occasionally orange accents. As well assembled as any western kit. Most of their kitchen appliance is some sort of knob and plastic covered button, very easy to clean/maintain. >consistent design language Less is more Dieter Ram, white/black, simple geometry with rounded edges, round oled display etc. It's very consistent. Especially considering they make nearly everything, from fridges, to cooktops, washing/dryer, to ACs, heaters, vacuums etc. Ultimately, they look nice, do the thing they do, for fraction of the price, i.e. affordable / actually make decent design available to masses. Bring "design" to low/medium income markets. Which is core to OG ethos/vision of modernism/functionalism.
  - throwaway290 2y ago
    You got the model right, yes! > decent design it's not "decent design". "Design" is how things work. Button in the lid is bad design, excess poorly fit plastic (which costs some of that $10) is bad design. The kicker here is that it's both bad design and more expensive. > $10 Where you got that from? Quick search shows $20-30+ in most countries, that is mid range and more than other better budget kettles. It's even crazier in poorer countries like China or Philippines where $10-$12 is not just "a bit more", it literally buys you two or three kettles with better design (can open lid with single hand) and more capacity. And that's their lowest end price you say... Xiaomu is not "bringing decent design to the masses". This is duping "the masses" into spending more money on objectively worse product that they would have to throw away sooner. > dud No, other reviews about how button doesn't fully open lid or temperature sensor is off or rust are consistent. Seriously, it's just a badly put together product with zero innovation and worse quality sold at higher prices than equivalents. That's Xiaomi in my experience
myspy 2y ago
I've seen the small Muji house last year and thought it would be a nice addition in our garden :D
- maxglute 2y ago
  I'm assuming you saw the "hut", there's a few models. https://www.muji.com/jp/mujihut/en.html https://www.muji.com/jp/mujihut/en.html They have a prefab house as well: https://www.dezeen.com/2020/01/16/muji-yo-no-ie-prefabricated-home/ https://www.dezeen.com/2020/01/16/muji-yo-no-ie-prefabricate...
  - myspy 2y ago
    Yeah, it was the hut. The other one is pretty cool too. I’d need something like the hut but with a small bathroom. Would be nice for guests.