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I don't accept the written narrative by the people that wrote the bible. Did Jesus exist, probably, but I have a hard time with the words about what happened, g

I don't accept the written narrative by the people that wrote the bible. Did Jesus exist, probably, but I have a hard time with the words about what happened, given that people are... people. But I have a harder time thinking that even over a period of billions of years DNA can suddenly exist and do what it does - let alone for the physics of it all to allow all this to happen, and allow private thinking, etc... I don't think this is designless.

mrkeen 2y ago
One of these 'sudden existences' was reported here just a couple of weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40101290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40101290 And you can't opt out of "something from nothing" thinking - you have to choose between "DNA from nothing" or "intelligent DNA-designer from nothing".
- krapp 2y ago
  Evolution doesn't assume "DNA from nothing," rather that DNA itself is the result of evolutionary processes from simpler chemical precursors[0]. We know that emergent complexity exists, and it doesn't require a supernatural cause. The problem is, people can't comprehend the complexity that can result in millions or billions of years of iterations, so they assume it must be magic, because that seems simpler and more intuitive. But nature is rarely intuitive at the scale of human understanding. [0]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/
  - throwitaway222 2y ago
    Even so, the physics of everything being amenable to life, etc... seems like just as easily none of that could have existed. Instead, we have gravity, strong nuke forces, and everything on up (temperature, water molecules) that all seem to be "pro life". It's like everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something. I can't just assume coincidence because of that.
    - mrkeen 2y ago
      > seems like just as easily none of that could have existed. There is infinite stuff which does not exist.
    - krapp 2y ago
      > It's like everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something. How so? We have one example of life existing anywhere in the universe, our own biosphere. Everything else in the universe that we observe appears dead or hostile to life as we know it. If it's the case that "everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something" it seems weird that this universal cosmic need expresses itself through mostly insects and bacteria and a few primates on one planet, and everything else is mostly dark matter and gamma rays and black holes and burning gas.

mrkeen 2y ago

One of these 'sudden existences' was reported here just a couple of weeks ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40101290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40101290 And you can't opt out of "something from nothing" thinking - you have to choose between "DNA from nothing" or "intelligent DNA-designer from nothing".

krapp 2y ago
Evolution doesn't assume "DNA from nothing," rather that DNA itself is the result of evolutionary processes from simpler chemical precursors[0]. We know that emergent complexity exists, and it doesn't require a supernatural cause. The problem is, people can't comprehend the complexity that can result in millions or billions of years of iterations, so they assume it must be magic, because that seems simpler and more intuitive. But nature is rarely intuitive at the scale of human understanding. [0]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK6360/
- throwitaway222 2y ago
  Even so, the physics of everything being amenable to life, etc... seems like just as easily none of that could have existed. Instead, we have gravity, strong nuke forces, and everything on up (temperature, water molecules) that all seem to be "pro life". It's like everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something. I can't just assume coincidence because of that.
  - mrkeen 2y ago
    > seems like just as easily none of that could have existed. There is infinite stuff which does not exist.
  - krapp 2y ago
    > It's like everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something. How so? We have one example of life existing anywhere in the universe, our own biosphere. Everything else in the universe that we observe appears dead or hostile to life as we know it. If it's the case that "everything in the universe wants existence and to be felt by something" it seems weird that this universal cosmic need expresses itself through mostly insects and bacteria and a few primates on one planet, and everything else is mostly dark matter and gamma rays and black holes and burning gas.