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> "Miele and Bosch etc are still going strong." Not to mention Phillips, Electrolux (still the world's 2nd largest appliance manufacturer after Whirlpool!), an

> "Miele and Bosch etc are still going strong." Not to mention Phillips, Electrolux (still the world's 2nd largest appliance manufacturer after Whirlpool!), and relative newcomers like Dyson.

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nehal3m 2y ago
Philips is not exactly a European household appliance manufacturer, they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech.
- fransje26 2y ago
  > they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech. ..and are knowingly selling, among other things, highly defective CPAP devices.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  Nah bruh. Philips and Electrolux are mostly just name brands today that license their badges to be placed on goods from OEM Chinese or Turkish appliance makers.
  - Reason077 2y ago
    Electrolux doesn't license out their brand names to anyone, AFAIK. They do operate manufacturing facilities in 16 countries, and 2 of their 3 largest factories are in Europe: Vallenoncello, Italy and Ljungby, Sweden (the third is in Rayong, Thailand - not China!) With Phillips its more complicated because they've spun off many of their divisions into separate companies, such as the lighting division into Signify NV. So Signify now makes the Phillips Hue lighting products under license. But it's not like they're licensing the brand out to random companies - they're companies that were previously part of Phillips itself.
- Reason077 2y ago
  > "they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech" They've kept health tech and "personal care products", which includes the Phillips shavers and toothbrushes. Phillips is a global market leader in those products and sells just about as many shavers as Braun does.
unwind 2y ago
You seem knowledgeable about these companies, but can I just please point out that the Dutch company is "PHILIPS" [1] with a single 'L'. I wrote it in all-caps to make it more clear, but see the logo on the linked Wikipedia page of course. Thanks. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips
- Reason077 2y ago
  You're quite right, sorry. My uncle worked for Philips back when I was growing up and due to his staff discounts, our house was filled with all their products (back when they made TVs, audio equipment, and even computers), so I should know better! Now days I'm still loyal to their excellent toothbrushes, beard trimmers, and LED smart lighting products.

> "Miele and Bosch etc are still going strong." Not to mention Phillips, Electrolux (still the world's 2nd largest appliance manufacturer after Whirlpool!), and relative newcomers like Dyson.

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nehal3m 2y ago

Philips is not exactly a European household appliance manufacturer, they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech.

fransje26 2y ago
> they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech. ..and are knowingly selling, among other things, highly defective CPAP devices.
Rinzler89 2y ago
Nah bruh. Philips and Electrolux are mostly just name brands today that license their badges to be placed on goods from OEM Chinese or Turkish appliance makers.
- Reason077 2y ago
  Electrolux doesn't license out their brand names to anyone, AFAIK. They do operate manufacturing facilities in 16 countries, and 2 of their 3 largest factories are in Europe: Vallenoncello, Italy and Ljungby, Sweden (the third is in Rayong, Thailand - not China!) With Phillips its more complicated because they've spun off many of their divisions into separate companies, such as the lighting division into Signify NV. So Signify now makes the Phillips Hue lighting products under license. But it's not like they're licensing the brand out to random companies - they're companies that were previously part of Phillips itself.
Reason077 2y ago
> "they've sold off most of that and moved into health tech" They've kept health tech and "personal care products", which includes the Phillips shavers and toothbrushes. Phillips is a global market leader in those products and sells just about as many shavers as Braun does.

unwind 2y ago

You seem knowledgeable about these companies, but can I just please point out that the Dutch company is "PHILIPS" [1] with a single 'L'. I wrote it in all-caps to make it more clear, but see the logo on the linked Wikipedia page of course. Thanks. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips

Reason077 2y ago
You're quite right, sorry. My uncle worked for Philips back when I was growing up and due to his staff discounts, our house was filled with all their products (back when they made TVs, audio equipment, and even computers), so I should know better! Now days I'm still loyal to their excellent toothbrushes, beard trimmers, and LED smart lighting products.