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I own a Model 3 Performance that I bought in 2019. I think it's a great car. Would I buy another Tesla? No. Would I buy another EV? Absolutely, as long as

I own a Model 3 Performance that I bought in 2019. I think it's a great car. Would I buy another Tesla? No. Would I buy another EV? Absolutely, as long as it uses NACS. My reasons have nothing to do with recalls. tbh, I think the worry about recalls is blown way out of proportion by the media. One of the recent recalls was because some of the icons were deemed to be too small. I absolutely rolled my eyes at how much of a media frenzy there was over it, but "TESLA RECALLS 3 MILLION VEHICLES" makes for great headlines, I guess. My issue with Tesla, and why I wouldn't buy another, is two-fold: First, they have a very poor reputation for build quality and then follow it up with bad service. My car has been rock solid, but I recognize other people have not been so lucky, and getting Tesla service to fix their car can be like pulling teeth. Second, I don't like the direction they've gone with some design. Eliminating stalks in favor of using the touch screen or touch-buttons on the steering wheel is just terrible design. My wife owns a CRV and wants a Model Y. If she actually decides to buy a new car, I'll probably push her towards a Honda Prologue.

dragontamer 2y ago
> Absolutely, as long as it uses NACS. What are your thoughts on the mass layoffs of the entirety of the Tesla Supercharging team? It looks like the writing is on the wall for the NACS charger, at least its biggest deployment of superchargers across the USA (Tesla's network).
- buffington 2y ago
  I'm not the GP, but I can tell you how I felt: WTF. The Tesla Supercharger network is by the far the best thing about the car. There was a period of time when I was doing some very long trips in my Model 3 - dozens of cross country trips over the course of about 2 years. I never once encountered a Tesla charger that didn't just work. Never. We're talking hundreds of charging sessions. The non-Tesla chargers? I learned real quick that they work only about 20% of the time. They're either broken, won't accept payment, require apps that are too old to work on modern phones, etc, etc. That's even if they're there. About a third of the time, the chargers that should be there aren't. I honestly don't know how non-Tesla owners do it today. Does Rivian have a good charging network?
buffington 2y ago
Kind of in the same boat. The car I own is rock solid, and the one mobile repair I needed was done within hours of me having put in the request. The guy also repaired something else he spotted, which I appreciated, but it got me thinking about how the people who put my car together will never know about that there's something they might be able to fix before cars ever roll off the line. The guy said "I see these on every car I service, and just hit 'em. I don't bother with paperwork," when I asked if he'd add a line item for the secondary repair. It's things like this where I think Tesla stumbles. The repair guys shrug didn't sell confidence - it shrank it for me. If they're brushing off the little stuff, what else don't they care about? It just felt sloppy. To be fair though, it's about 5% that, and 95% Musk that turn me off of Tesla right now. I live in a very "red" state, and a stranger in the parking lot the other day barked out "how's it feel to be Musk's bitch." Words don't hurt, sure, but the guy might have had a point.
stephenitis 2y ago
> very poor reputation for build quality and then follow it up with bad service. > My car has been rock solid anecdotal evidence is very warped in Tesla land, most forum surfaces people having problems rather than people happily enjoying their cars, the media has also been reporting on every detail of tesla like a hawk giving this perception in my opinion. I'm willing to change my opinion on data that looks not just at tesla but tesla compared to other car manufacturers

dragontamer 2y ago

> Absolutely, as long as it uses NACS. What are your thoughts on the mass layoffs of the entirety of the Tesla Supercharging team? It looks like the writing is on the wall for the NACS charger, at least its biggest deployment of superchargers across the USA (Tesla's network).

buffington 2y ago
I'm not the GP, but I can tell you how I felt: WTF. The Tesla Supercharger network is by the far the best thing about the car. There was a period of time when I was doing some very long trips in my Model 3 - dozens of cross country trips over the course of about 2 years. I never once encountered a Tesla charger that didn't just work. Never. We're talking hundreds of charging sessions. The non-Tesla chargers? I learned real quick that they work only about 20% of the time. They're either broken, won't accept payment, require apps that are too old to work on modern phones, etc, etc. That's even if they're there. About a third of the time, the chargers that should be there aren't. I honestly don't know how non-Tesla owners do it today. Does Rivian have a good charging network?

buffington 2y ago

Kind of in the same boat. The car I own is rock solid, and the one mobile repair I needed was done within hours of me having put in the request. The guy also repaired something else he spotted, which I appreciated, but it got me thinking about how the people who put my car together will never know about that there's something they might be able to fix before cars ever roll off the line. The guy said "I see these on every car I service, and just hit 'em. I don't bother with paperwork," when I asked if he'd add a line item for the secondary repair. It's things like this where I think Tesla stumbles. The repair guys shrug didn't sell confidence - it shrank it for me. If they're brushing off the little stuff, what else don't they care about? It just felt sloppy. To be fair though, it's about 5% that, and 95% Musk that turn me off of Tesla right now. I live in a very "red" state, and a stranger in the parking lot the other day barked out "how's it feel to be Musk's bitch." Words don't hurt, sure, but the guy might have had a point.

stephenitis 2y ago

> very poor reputation for build quality and then follow it up with bad service. > My car has been rock solid anecdotal evidence is very warped in Tesla land, most forum surfaces people having problems rather than people happily enjoying their cars, the media has also been reporting on every detail of tesla like a hawk giving this perception in my opinion. I'm willing to change my opinion on data that looks not just at tesla but tesla compared to other car manufacturers