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Toyota just announced the Beyond Zero series of BEVs starting with the bZ4X. It's a 71kwh 355volt and charges at level 3. But the Hyundais are absolutely amazin

by foxyv 2y ago

Toyota just announced the Beyond Zero series of BEVs starting with the bZ4X. It's a 71kwh 355volt and charges at level 3. But the Hyundais are absolutely amazing. Also, plugin hybrids have gotten to be VERY good. Honda also just released the Prologue. It's starting to look a little tough in the BEV market.

_mlbt 2y ago
What do you like so much about the Hyundais? Plugin hybrids are something I'm considering as well.
- foxyv 2y ago
  Ioniq has MUCH better fast charging. Their high voltage batteries allow them to charge at 104 miles per 10 minutes or 640 miles per hour. The new Toyota and Hondas only charge about 60 miles per 10 minutes or 360 miles per hour. Also, I'm really hesitant to try anything from Toyota or Honda that is brand spanking new. First adopters tend to get hosed. Also it's easier to get parts and repairs for the Ioniq since it's been around for so much longer. However the Hyundais are a lot less reliable than I would like. My hands down favorite is the Prius Prime PHEV. Toyota's two motor E-CVT is probably the best transmission in the world and their motors are bomb proof with appropriate maintenance. Some people report refueling once a year.
- jfim 2y ago
  I got a plug in hybrid (Lincoln Corsair) and I like it. If you can charge at home, most of your errands/commute is within the electric range, and you can set it to run solely off the battery, you can go several months without having to put gas in it. At the same time, if you do a road trip, you just put gas in it, no need to find chargers that work and install charging apps on your phone.
  - foxyv 2y ago
    I think plug in hybrids are the best compromise we could ask for at this point given current infrastructure. If we see a large public investment in charging, I think we would be seeing electric car adoption across the board. But until that happens, PHEVs are a good deal.
Kirby64 2y ago
The bZ4X is widely regarded as one of the worst EVs produced today. Nothing Toyota makes today should be considered meaningful in the BEV market. They make good hybrids, but that’s about it.
- foxyv 2y ago
  Worst today, but I don't see that lasting long. Toyota tends to iterate and I wouldn't be surprised to see them dominate in the next 5 years. Unless it's just another "Compliance Car"
  - Kirby64 2y ago
    People have said that for 10 years with Toyota. They've had a headstart with their hybrids and have done nothing but squander it with Hydrogen aspirations and other nonsense compliance car type stuff. I'll believe it when I see it. Hyundai/Kia seem to be taking Toyota's place for the EV future here.
    - foxyv 2y ago
      Yeah, Hydrogen is a horrible idea. Maybe 20 years ago when BEVs were really lame, but now?

by foxyv 2y ago

_mlbt 2y ago

What do you like so much about the Hyundais? Plugin hybrids are something I'm considering as well.

foxyv 2y ago
Ioniq has MUCH better fast charging. Their high voltage batteries allow them to charge at 104 miles per 10 minutes or 640 miles per hour. The new Toyota and Hondas only charge about 60 miles per 10 minutes or 360 miles per hour. Also, I'm really hesitant to try anything from Toyota or Honda that is brand spanking new. First adopters tend to get hosed. Also it's easier to get parts and repairs for the Ioniq since it's been around for so much longer. However the Hyundais are a lot less reliable than I would like. My hands down favorite is the Prius Prime PHEV. Toyota's two motor E-CVT is probably the best transmission in the world and their motors are bomb proof with appropriate maintenance. Some people report refueling once a year.
jfim 2y ago
I got a plug in hybrid (Lincoln Corsair) and I like it. If you can charge at home, most of your errands/commute is within the electric range, and you can set it to run solely off the battery, you can go several months without having to put gas in it. At the same time, if you do a road trip, you just put gas in it, no need to find chargers that work and install charging apps on your phone.
- foxyv 2y ago
  I think plug in hybrids are the best compromise we could ask for at this point given current infrastructure. If we see a large public investment in charging, I think we would be seeing electric car adoption across the board. But until that happens, PHEVs are a good deal.

Kirby64 2y ago

The bZ4X is widely regarded as one of the worst EVs produced today. Nothing Toyota makes today should be considered meaningful in the BEV market. They make good hybrids, but that’s about it.

foxyv 2y ago
Worst today, but I don't see that lasting long. Toyota tends to iterate and I wouldn't be surprised to see them dominate in the next 5 years. Unless it's just another "Compliance Car"
- Kirby64 2y ago
  People have said that for 10 years with Toyota. They've had a headstart with their hybrids and have done nothing but squander it with Hydrogen aspirations and other nonsense compliance car type stuff. I'll believe it when I see it. Hyundai/Kia seem to be taking Toyota's place for the EV future here.
  - foxyv 2y ago
    Yeah, Hydrogen is a horrible idea. Maybe 20 years ago when BEVs were really lame, but now?