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> AWS' entire business model is making the pricing so confusing My go to line here is that Cloud was a ZIRP. Like the whole entire thing. Took us ~10 years to

> AWS' entire business model is making the pricing so confusing My go to line here is that Cloud was a ZIRP. Like the whole entire thing. Took us ~10 years to wind up the cloud, and it will take years to unwind it, but the mass migration away is already happening. To be clear, I don't mean like AWS is going out of business or anything. Just that companies are a) realizing how insanely expensive it is, b) realizing how wildly volatile the pricing is, and c) starting to reach for services with transparent, fixed pricing

brigadier132 2y ago
I don't think people understand how absurd egress costs are. I was talking with some people in game dev because im making a multiplayer game and i wanted to understand what my future costs would be. Bandwidth was #1 over compute.
- apitman 2y ago
  I've done a decent amount of research on the cheapest VPS providers for network-heavy applications. Take a look at Hetzner and OVH if you haven't already. Also here's a useful comparison: https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress
- bauruine 2y ago
  Yeah it's more than absurd. I have a rented server that does 230TB egress a month. That's 4710$ in AWS egress fees (0.02$ per GB). I pay 40 Euros or about 0.0002 per GB and that includes an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with 64GB RAM.
  - apitman 2y ago
    May I ask who your provider is?
    - bauruine 2y ago
      That's https://mevspace.com/ https://mevspace.com/ but hetzner, scaleway, ovh, psychz.net, reliablesite.net etc. have similar pricing. If you increase your budget to 100 there are many, many more in Europe and the US.
      - apitman 2y ago
        Thanks!
hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
> My go to line here is that Cloud was a ZIRP. Like the whole entire thing. Took us ~10 years to wind up the cloud, and it will take years to unwind it, but the mass migration away is already happening. This is Hacker News echo chamber stuff. There is certainly no mass migration away from the cloud. Yes, I personally saw companies in the 2010s say "we're moving everything to the cloud!" without adequate planning or cost analysis and then saying "OK, everyone off the cloud" once they got an insane cloud bill. But cloud costs can be managed, and for many, many companies the cost of hiring people to manage all this infrastructure and services is usually way more than a well-managed cloud project. Also, the canonical rationale I see on HN for moving away from the cloud is "I can just rent a box for $X/month". If all you're using the cloud for is a dumb, static set of compute, I agree that you can probably do it cheaper on your own. I know hardly any companies (from small startups to large enterprises) who use the cloud that way.
- rco8786 2y ago
  > for many, many companies the cost of hiring people to manage all this infrastructure and services is usually way more than a well-managed cloud project. Yea, this is the line that everyone uses. I've worked at these companies, and the reality just doesn't line up with that. You end up still needing your whole Ops team, they're just building cloud tooling instead of on-prem tooling. As to whether or not the migration away is happening...major cloud providers are already seeing people leave, and profits starting to contract. It's very early. Like I said in the original post, it took us a long time to wind up the cloud and it's going to take a long time to come back to reality. Something roughly cloud-shaped will probably always remain..there are some legit use cases especially for companies that have spiky load profiles. I don't mean we're literally going back to running servers out of our IT closets. I just mean that as a whole we're going to be moving back to simpler deployments, simpler architectures, and most importantly, fixed/predictable costs.
  - hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
    > I just mean that as a whole we're going to be moving back to simpler deployments, simpler architectures, and most importantly, fixed/predictable costs. That I can definitely agree with, I just believe that's fully possible to do with cloud (for the most part, though there are certainly some head turners like the recent news that AWS was charging for forbidden attempts on private S3 buckets, which is bonkers) and cloud cost management tools.

brigadier132 2y ago

I don't think people understand how absurd egress costs are. I was talking with some people in game dev because im making a multiplayer game and i wanted to understand what my future costs would be. Bandwidth was #1 over compute.

apitman 2y ago
I've done a decent amount of research on the cheapest VPS providers for network-heavy applications. Take a look at Hetzner and OVH if you haven't already. Also here's a useful comparison: https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress https://getdeploying.com/reference/data-egress
bauruine 2y ago
Yeah it's more than absurd. I have a rented server that does 230TB egress a month. That's 4710$ in AWS egress fees (0.02$ per GB). I pay 40 Euros or about 0.0002 per GB and that includes an AMD Ryzen 5 3600 with 64GB RAM.
- apitman 2y ago
  May I ask who your provider is?
  - bauruine 2y ago
    That's https://mevspace.com/ https://mevspace.com/ but hetzner, scaleway, ovh, psychz.net, reliablesite.net etc. have similar pricing. If you increase your budget to 100 there are many, many more in Europe and the US.
    - apitman 2y ago
      Thanks!

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago

> My go to line here is that Cloud was a ZIRP. Like the whole entire thing. Took us ~10 years to wind up the cloud, and it will take years to unwind it, but the mass migration away is already happening. This is Hacker News echo chamber stuff. There is certainly no mass migration away from the cloud. Yes, I personally saw companies in the 2010s say "we're moving everything to the cloud!" without adequate planning or cost analysis and then saying "OK, everyone off the cloud" once they got an insane cloud bill. But cloud costs can be managed, and for many, many companies the cost of hiring people to manage all this infrastructure and services is usually way more than a well-managed cloud project. Also, the canonical rationale I see on HN for moving away from the cloud is "I can just rent a box for $X/month". If all you're using the cloud for is a dumb, static set of compute, I agree that you can probably do it cheaper on your own. I know hardly any companies (from small startups to large enterprises) who use the cloud that way.

rco8786 2y ago
> for many, many companies the cost of hiring people to manage all this infrastructure and services is usually way more than a well-managed cloud project. Yea, this is the line that everyone uses. I've worked at these companies, and the reality just doesn't line up with that. You end up still needing your whole Ops team, they're just building cloud tooling instead of on-prem tooling. As to whether or not the migration away is happening...major cloud providers are already seeing people leave, and profits starting to contract. It's very early. Like I said in the original post, it took us a long time to wind up the cloud and it's going to take a long time to come back to reality. Something roughly cloud-shaped will probably always remain..there are some legit use cases especially for companies that have spiky load profiles. I don't mean we're literally going back to running servers out of our IT closets. I just mean that as a whole we're going to be moving back to simpler deployments, simpler architectures, and most importantly, fixed/predictable costs.
- hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
  > I just mean that as a whole we're going to be moving back to simpler deployments, simpler architectures, and most importantly, fixed/predictable costs. That I can definitely agree with, I just believe that's fully possible to do with cloud (for the most part, though there are certainly some head turners like the recent news that AWS was charging for forbidden attempts on private S3 buckets, which is bonkers) and cloud cost management tools.