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There's a dark mirror industry in the US that curates this info and sells it widely. I stumbled across a rare sign of it when pulling up the history of a house

There's a dark mirror industry in the US that curates this info and sells it widely. I stumbled across a rare sign of it when pulling up the history of a house I sold more than 20 years ago. It listed all prior owners WITH current residential address AND current cell phone numbers. In this case, the source of the info is a company called _Nuwber_. https://internetprivacy.com/what-is-nuwber-information/ https://internetprivacy.com/what-is-nuwber-information/

robertlagrant 2y ago
Understood, but the article is saying that the car can tell these things. Of course someone can tell - presumably Visa could do it. I'm wondering why cars in particular, and how they could do it.
- kube-system 2y ago
  In the context of that sentence, the article says car companies collect that information. Here's the sentence in context: > Companies are quick to flaunt their privacy policies, but those amount to pages upon pages of legalese that leave even professionals stumped about what exactly car companies collect and where that information might go. > So what can they collect? > “Pretty much everything,” said Misha Rykov, a research associate at the Mozilla Foundation, who worked on the car-privacy report. “Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.”
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    Agreed, but "collect" implies "from the user", rather than "buy user data from aggregators".
    - kube-system 2y ago
      It's probably used that way in a lot of software privacy policies, because a lot of software directly collects information, but the word 'collect' itself doesn't imply any origin.
      - robertlagrant 2y ago
        I think it does imply an origin in this context. If I said "Apple collects your location data" and it turns out they were buying it from a data broker, and not, well, collecting it from their devices, I would feel misled.
        kube-system 2y ago
        That might be a presumption in your head, based on the mechanisms you presume are in place, but that meaning is not actually contained in the words of that sentence. The word "collect" alone is ambiguous as to whether it is direct or indirect. And if you read other privacy policies, outside of the tech industry, it is normal to use the word 'collect' for information gathered from various sources. (e.g. insurance privacy policies)

robertlagrant 2y ago

Understood, but the article is saying that the car can tell these things. Of course someone can tell - presumably Visa could do it. I'm wondering why cars in particular, and how they could do it.

kube-system 2y ago
In the context of that sentence, the article says car companies collect that information. Here's the sentence in context: > Companies are quick to flaunt their privacy policies, but those amount to pages upon pages of legalese that leave even professionals stumped about what exactly car companies collect and where that information might go. > So what can they collect? > “Pretty much everything,” said Misha Rykov, a research associate at the Mozilla Foundation, who worked on the car-privacy report. “Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.”
- robertlagrant 2y ago
  Agreed, but "collect" implies "from the user", rather than "buy user data from aggregators".
  - kube-system 2y ago
    It's probably used that way in a lot of software privacy policies, because a lot of software directly collects information, but the word 'collect' itself doesn't imply any origin.
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      I think it does imply an origin in this context. If I said "Apple collects your location data" and it turns out they were buying it from a data broker, and not, well, collecting it from their devices, I would feel misled.
      - kube-system 2y ago
        That might be a presumption in your head, based on the mechanisms you presume are in place, but that meaning is not actually contained in the words of that sentence. The word "collect" alone is ambiguous as to whether it is direct or indirect. And if you read other privacy policies, outside of the tech industry, it is normal to use the word 'collect' for information gathered from various sources. (e.g. insurance privacy policies)