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You may be buying an older used car, then. I always look for this stuff in rentals and it is always there.

kstrauser 3y ago
I'm fortunate to live in a state with a decent privacy law. I think my strategy will look more like: - Find a car with the least bad policies, then - File a CCPA demand that they show me all the information they collect about me, that they delete it all, that I refuse to allow them to share it with anyone else, and that they limit how they use my data. If you live in California, here's what the law requires basically all car companies (i.e. all with more than $25M gross revenue) to do up on your request: https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa I wish all people living in jurisdictions with laws like this would file individual requests, making it more expensive to process opt-out requests than they profit from the rest.
- helij 3y ago
  With Honda it's easy. You can turn the telemetry off. There will be no need for CCPA demand.
  - kube-system 3y ago
    Or buy one of the lower trims without connectivity. The statements about it will still be in the privacy policy but they won't be sending the data.
  - kstrauser 3y ago
    If I’m going to have to fix their system so that it doesn’t spy on me, I’d rather pass the hassle back to them and make them deal with it. If I fix it myself there’s no downside for them in turning it on in the first place.
    - helij 3y ago
      There's nothing to fix. The option is the first thing you see when you turn the car on. It asks you. Telemetry on or off. I pressed off and drove away. Never bothered me again. I'm glad Honda gives me this easy option unlike pretty much everything else I encounter these days.
      - kstrauser 3y ago
        This article was from someone who had a harder time of it than that.
        helij 3y ago
        The main pain point they seem to have is the orange circle in notifications bar at the top. I have the same but it doesn't really bother me. It is a little bit of a dark pattern but I can live with it. Like I said, others make it much much harder than Honda, but I agree, Honda could do better still!

I'm fortunate to live in a state with a decent privacy law. I think my strategy will look more like: - Find a car with the least bad policies, then - File a CCPA demand that they show me all the information they collect about me, that they delete it all, that I refuse to allow them to share it with anyone else, and that they limit how they use my data. If you live in California, here's what the law requires basically all car companies (i.e. all with more than $25M gross revenue) to do up on your request: https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa I wish all people living in jurisdictions with laws like this would file individual requests, making it more expensive to process opt-out requests than they profit from the rest.

helij 3y ago
With Honda it's easy. You can turn the telemetry off. There will be no need for CCPA demand.
- kube-system 3y ago
  Or buy one of the lower trims without connectivity. The statements about it will still be in the privacy policy but they won't be sending the data.
- kstrauser 3y ago
  If I’m going to have to fix their system so that it doesn’t spy on me, I’d rather pass the hassle back to them and make them deal with it. If I fix it myself there’s no downside for them in turning it on in the first place.
  - helij 3y ago
    There's nothing to fix. The option is the first thing you see when you turn the car on. It asks you. Telemetry on or off. I pressed off and drove away. Never bothered me again. I'm glad Honda gives me this easy option unlike pretty much everything else I encounter these days.
    - kstrauser 3y ago
      This article was from someone who had a harder time of it than that.
      - helij 3y ago
        The main pain point they seem to have is the orange circle in notifications bar at the top. I have the same but it doesn't really bother me. It is a little bit of a dark pattern but I can live with it. Like I said, others make it much much harder than Honda, but I agree, Honda could do better still!