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Not only Honda. All new cars to this and sell you data to insurance companies. All new KIA and Hyundais have no option to turn off telemetry. I asked the dealer

by ssahoo 2y ago

Not only Honda. All new cars to this and sell you data to insurance companies. All new KIA and Hyundais have no option to turn off telemetry. I asked the dealer, they said it can't be done. Don't like it?

axelthegerman 2y ago
Is that mostly an American thing? Did the EU somehow manage to protect it's citizens?
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  Well, the EU even went a step further! [0] Quote from there: >Also, the occupants of the car have no control over the remote activation of the microphone, making a car susceptible to eavesdropping. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall
  - axelthegerman 2y ago
    That's fair though that seems to be an implementation detail and not the intended use. E.g. if the system would actually only activate and transmit when let's say the airbag inflated that'd seem like a good thing in general. Would there still be ways to exploit it, maybe but it's not the same as what was described in the article
- daghamm 2y ago
  Asian car makers are a bit special. Both privacy and cybesercurity is at 1995 levels. KIA, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai are worst in class in every aspect. With that said, I'm pretty sure this thing is not allowed in EU or at the very least will be too expensive to operate in Europe.
  - SunlitCat 2y ago
    Good news! Cars with telemetry are already mandatory in the EU since 2018! :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall
semi-extrinsic 2y ago
Of course it can be done. Somewhere there is an LTE modem that can be physically disabled.
- quickslowdown 2y ago
  Since I don't see the normal reply to this completely predictable "you can just disable the hardware," I'll drop a TL;DR version of it: No you can't, not without voiding your warranty.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    And since I don't see the normal reply to this completely predictable "that'll void your warranty," I'll drop a TL;DR version of it: IANAL, but I'm pretty sure the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty... says you can only void a warranty if the modification caused the problem. So no.
- reaperman 2y ago
  I'd half expect the infotainment system to just refuse to work at all if this was done in a simple way (like damaging or removing the modem). Then no stereo at all or Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. I suspect the "right" way to do this would be to ground the LTE antenna or faraday cage it or something like that. I'd expect cars to still work in remote areas or underground parking garages where there isn't any cell service, and this would simulate that.

by ssahoo 2y ago

axelthegerman 2y ago

Is that mostly an American thing? Did the EU somehow manage to protect it's citizens?

SunlitCat 2y ago
Well, the EU even went a step further! [0] Quote from there: >Also, the occupants of the car have no control over the remote activation of the microphone, making a car susceptible to eavesdropping. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall
- axelthegerman 2y ago
  That's fair though that seems to be an implementation detail and not the intended use. E.g. if the system would actually only activate and transmit when let's say the airbag inflated that'd seem like a good thing in general. Would there still be ways to exploit it, maybe but it's not the same as what was described in the article
daghamm 2y ago
Asian car makers are a bit special. Both privacy and cybesercurity is at 1995 levels. KIA, Toyota, Honda and Hyundai are worst in class in every aspect. With that said, I'm pretty sure this thing is not allowed in EU or at the very least will be too expensive to operate in Europe.
- SunlitCat 2y ago
  Good news! Cars with telemetry are already mandatory in the EU since 2018! :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

semi-extrinsic 2y ago

Of course it can be done. Somewhere there is an LTE modem that can be physically disabled.

quickslowdown 2y ago
Since I don't see the normal reply to this completely predictable "you can just disable the hardware," I'll drop a TL;DR version of it: No you can't, not without voiding your warranty.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  And since I don't see the normal reply to this completely predictable "that'll void your warranty," I'll drop a TL;DR version of it: IANAL, but I'm pretty sure the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson%E2%80%93Moss_Warranty... says you can only void a warranty if the modification caused the problem. So no.
reaperman 2y ago
I'd half expect the infotainment system to just refuse to work at all if this was done in a simple way (like damaging or removing the modem). Then no stereo at all or Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. I suspect the "right" way to do this would be to ground the LTE antenna or faraday cage it or something like that. I'd expect cars to still work in remote areas or underground parking garages where there isn't any cell service, and this would simulate that.