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> All crossings are controlled by Israel. This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's or Jordan's borders. > To me, it looks like majority were killed inte

> All crossings are controlled by Israel. This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's or Jordan's borders. > To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list. By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: > Our database will not include all of these casualties until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ. I did check some of them, and I would agree some of it look concerning at face value, but I'm not sure if I would take any of those sources at face value. I would very much like to see some investigation into this, but without the war ending, I don't really see how that will happen.

megous 2y ago
> This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's borders. Of course it does. It closed the crossing shortly after Oct 7. Crossing it, requires Israel approval and inspections. The moment Egypt stops observing Israel's rules, it will bomb the crossing. It did bomb it already a few times last year in order to close it. Israel already stated that it will operate anywhere in Gaza militarily, that includes the Rafah crossing, and it does. That's pretty much what anyone would consider being in control of a crossing, effectively. In addition, despite this crossing being between Palestine and Egypt, the agreement that splits the roles of who does what at the crossing is between Egypt and Israel as part of Israel-Egypt peace treaty https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-reality-egypt-gaza-border-part-i-contents-new-israel-egypt-agreement https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-real... So Israel does partially control it even in this "legal" aspect. It kinda makes sense given that Gaza is still considered an occupied territory by UN. Since when occupied territories control their own corssings with other countries? > By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: Yes, that goes back to Israel refusal for independent foreign journalists presence in Gaza. Or ICC investigators. Convenient.
megous 2y ago
> Today: "BREAKING| Security sources to Al Aqsa TV: Three Israeli tanks are stationed 200 meters away from the Rafah border crossing and have fired several shells at buildings on the border crossing." No control. Right.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  Israel has repeatedly instructed people to evacuate to Egypt, and Egypt has refused to allow them to do so. https://theconversation.com/why-egypt-refuses-to-open-its-border-to-palestinians-forcibly-displaced-from-gaza-223735 https://theconversation.com/why-egypt-refuses-to-open-its-bo...
  - megous 2y ago
    That does not prove lack of control of the border by Israel. It just proves that Egypt controls it from their side.

megous 2y ago

> This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's borders. Of course it does. It closed the crossing shortly after Oct 7. Crossing it, requires Israel approval and inspections. The moment Egypt stops observing Israel's rules, it will bomb the crossing. It did bomb it already a few times last year in order to close it. Israel already stated that it will operate anywhere in Gaza militarily, that includes the Rafah crossing, and it does. That's pretty much what anyone would consider being in control of a crossing, effectively. In addition, despite this crossing being between Palestine and Egypt, the agreement that splits the roles of who does what at the crossing is between Egypt and Israel as part of Israel-Egypt peace treaty https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-reality-egypt-gaza-border-part-i-contents-new-israel-egypt-agreement https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-real... So Israel does partially control it even in this "legal" aspect. It kinda makes sense given that Gaza is still considered an occupied territory by UN. Since when occupied territories control their own corssings with other countries? > By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: Yes, that goes back to Israel refusal for independent foreign journalists presence in Gaza. Or ICC investigators. Convenient.

megous 2y ago

> Today: "BREAKING| Security sources to Al Aqsa TV: Three Israeli tanks are stationed 200 meters away from the Rafah border crossing and have fired several shells at buildings on the border crossing." No control. Right.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
Israel has repeatedly instructed people to evacuate to Egypt, and Egypt has refused to allow them to do so. https://theconversation.com/why-egypt-refuses-to-open-its-border-to-palestinians-forcibly-displaced-from-gaza-223735 https://theconversation.com/why-egypt-refuses-to-open-its-bo...
- megous 2y ago
  That does not prove lack of control of the border by Israel. It just proves that Egypt controls it from their side.