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Nice, guess I can buy Helldivers 2 and see why everyone loves it so much now. I held back specifically because (despite me already having a PSN account) this s

Nice, guess I can buy Helldivers 2 and see why everyone loves it so much now. I held back specifically because (despite me already having a PSN account) this seemed like Sony was just willing to torch an incredibly successful game (and double down on that torching) in order to insure it juiced up its PSN signup numbers for its earnings reports, and it made me feel bad to support that. But as shitty as Sony can be, at least they were willing to walk back this decision after such a huge backlash.

aaomidi 2y ago
If they didn’t, then they’d ensure these players would literally never buy a PlayStation. Also, what they were doing is outright illegal in Europe.
- SahAssar 2y ago
  > Also, what they were doing is outright illegal in Europe. Do you mean because they required another unrelated service? Because ubisoft/EA etc. do that too. Or do you mean because they sold a product and then changed it? Because the requirement was documented from the start, just not enforced until the patch.
  - theshrike79 2y ago
    The problem was that they sold HD2 in Estonia and Philippines for example. They don't have PSN access at all. Thus they would have to provide false information when creating an account in a valid country, which is an EULA violation which again will result in a ban if caught.
  - baud147258 2y ago
    > Do you mean because they required another unrelated service? Because ubisoft/EA etc. do that too. An other unrelated service, which is unavailable in many countries (and part of some countries), including countries where you could buy the game.
righthand 2y ago
Just buy Earth Defense Force 5. It’s the same game with better satire and way better variety in load-outs and enemies. Also no DRM or microtransactions. Or wait for EDF6 in some weeks time.
- cableshaft 2y ago
  I do like me some Earth Defense Force, at least the older ones (haven't tried the newer ones). I'll keep an eye out for EDF6.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  They are extremely different games.
  - righthand 2y ago
    Oh really how so?
digging 2y ago
It still contains a pretty awful rootkit, nProtect GameGuard, FWIW. Even so, I played for a while. It's extremely fun, but there's not a lot of content to unlock yet and progression resources are handled kind of badly.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  A reminder, this is a straight up rootkit level "anti-cheat" in a game WITHOUT ANY PLAYER VS PLAYER INTERACTION Oh no, one of my teammates has a cheat that lets them call down infinite strategems, how horrible for me. /s They put it there so you can't give yourself free supercredits. They need a rootkit level "anti-cheat" so they can protect their stupid monetization scheme. It doesn't even work! It's trivial to bypass
  - indrora 2y ago
    Griefing and trolling is just as valid a concern as cheating. If I can join a random game and make three other people' lives spectacularly shit at the same time, that's a boon to me. But HD2 isn't like PvP games like Counter Strike or DoTA or CoD. It's an RPG, like D&D. Just as the DM doesn't want the players cheating at dice rolls, the point of any anticheat in this situation is to make it just that much harder that the low-level cheating stays at a minimum and the bigger cheats are easier to spot.
ryandrake 2y ago
> Nice, guess I can buy Helldivers 2 and see why everyone loves it so much now. Great. Give them your money. That'll show 'em! At least wait until you can say you forgot how terrible the company behaved. We can't be rid of these terrible companies because people keep handing them money. Same goes for TicketMaster. "Ugh, I hate TicketMaster! They are awful and abuse their customers" some guy says as he buys Taylor Swift tickets. Every time you give money to these companies, you're giving them bullets to fire at you.
- cableshaft 2y ago
  Pretty much all companies (and people) make mistakes. I'd rather reward those that are willing to acknowledge and walk back mistakes than those that don't, especially to show them where they can see that they did the right thing and encourage them to do the right thing next time. As long as those mistakes didn't result in horrible, life-ending consequences, at least (and I'm sorry, but forcing a PSN sign up is not one of those reasons, it's relatively minor, I just didn't really feel like supporting it since I had plenty of other games to play anyway). Actually the biggest thing that kept me from buying it (and why I didn't buy it right away) is it seems like it doesn't have a very good single-player mode, and I mostly play games single player now (too many assholes have ruined most multiplayer games). But I've been hearing such good things about it I've been tempted to get it anyway. But the bad news was just enough for me to go "well, maybe not yet." Also I don't think I've given Ticketmaster any money in years, but I don't go to too many live shows anymore. The couple I have are for the rare U.S. appearances of comedy groups like Letterkenny and Aunty Donna, but even then I want to say those were through AXS and not Ticketmaster, and that doesn't seem to be affiliated with Ticketmaster. It's hard to avoid giving Ticketmaster money unless you never go see any in-person shows, though, which is kind of shitty.
  - Biblecampvictim 2y ago
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- cableshaft 2y ago
  If it makes you feel any better, I ended up refunding the game after an hour and a half. It seems extremely repetitive, and like it would only be fun if you have a regular video game group to play with, which I don't have right now. So they didn't end up getting my money anyway.

aaomidi 2y ago

If they didn’t, then they’d ensure these players would literally never buy a PlayStation. Also, what they were doing is outright illegal in Europe.

SahAssar 2y ago
> Also, what they were doing is outright illegal in Europe. Do you mean because they required another unrelated service? Because ubisoft/EA etc. do that too. Or do you mean because they sold a product and then changed it? Because the requirement was documented from the start, just not enforced until the patch.
- theshrike79 2y ago
  The problem was that they sold HD2 in Estonia and Philippines for example. They don't have PSN access at all. Thus they would have to provide false information when creating an account in a valid country, which is an EULA violation which again will result in a ban if caught.
- baud147258 2y ago
  > Do you mean because they required another unrelated service? Because ubisoft/EA etc. do that too. An other unrelated service, which is unavailable in many countries (and part of some countries), including countries where you could buy the game.

righthand 2y ago

Just buy Earth Defense Force 5. It’s the same game with better satire and way better variety in load-outs and enemies. Also no DRM or microtransactions. Or wait for EDF6 in some weeks time.

cableshaft 2y ago
I do like me some Earth Defense Force, at least the older ones (haven't tried the newer ones). I'll keep an eye out for EDF6.
mrguyorama 2y ago
They are extremely different games.
- righthand 2y ago
  Oh really how so?

digging 2y ago

It still contains a pretty awful rootkit, nProtect GameGuard, FWIW. Even so, I played for a while. It's extremely fun, but there's not a lot of content to unlock yet and progression resources are handled kind of badly.

mrguyorama 2y ago
A reminder, this is a straight up rootkit level "anti-cheat" in a game WITHOUT ANY PLAYER VS PLAYER INTERACTION Oh no, one of my teammates has a cheat that lets them call down infinite strategems, how horrible for me. /s They put it there so you can't give yourself free supercredits. They need a rootkit level "anti-cheat" so they can protect their stupid monetization scheme. It doesn't even work! It's trivial to bypass
- indrora 2y ago
  Griefing and trolling is just as valid a concern as cheating. If I can join a random game and make three other people' lives spectacularly shit at the same time, that's a boon to me. But HD2 isn't like PvP games like Counter Strike or DoTA or CoD. It's an RPG, like D&D. Just as the DM doesn't want the players cheating at dice rolls, the point of any anticheat in this situation is to make it just that much harder that the low-level cheating stays at a minimum and the bigger cheats are easier to spot.

ryandrake 2y ago

> Nice, guess I can buy Helldivers 2 and see why everyone loves it so much now. Great. Give them your money. That'll show 'em! At least wait until you can say you forgot how terrible the company behaved. We can't be rid of these terrible companies because people keep handing them money. Same goes for TicketMaster. "Ugh, I hate TicketMaster! They are awful and abuse their customers" some guy says as he buys Taylor Swift tickets. Every time you give money to these companies, you're giving them bullets to fire at you.

cableshaft 2y ago
Pretty much all companies (and people) make mistakes. I'd rather reward those that are willing to acknowledge and walk back mistakes than those that don't, especially to show them where they can see that they did the right thing and encourage them to do the right thing next time. As long as those mistakes didn't result in horrible, life-ending consequences, at least (and I'm sorry, but forcing a PSN sign up is not one of those reasons, it's relatively minor, I just didn't really feel like supporting it since I had plenty of other games to play anyway). Actually the biggest thing that kept me from buying it (and why I didn't buy it right away) is it seems like it doesn't have a very good single-player mode, and I mostly play games single player now (too many assholes have ruined most multiplayer games). But I've been hearing such good things about it I've been tempted to get it anyway. But the bad news was just enough for me to go "well, maybe not yet." Also I don't think I've given Ticketmaster any money in years, but I don't go to too many live shows anymore. The couple I have are for the rare U.S. appearances of comedy groups like Letterkenny and Aunty Donna, but even then I want to say those were through AXS and not Ticketmaster, and that doesn't seem to be affiliated with Ticketmaster. It's hard to avoid giving Ticketmaster money unless you never go see any in-person shows, though, which is kind of shitty.
- Biblecampvictim 2y ago
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cableshaft 2y ago
If it makes you feel any better, I ended up refunding the game after an hour and a half. It seems extremely repetitive, and like it would only be fun if you have a regular video game group to play with, which I don't have right now. So they didn't end up getting my money anyway.