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> I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable. But it was. Nothing happened to anyone, no courts, trials, no jail time for any of the pol

> I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable. But it was. Nothing happened to anyone, no courts, trials, no jail time for any of the politicians, no nothing. So we, as a "western society" (or whatever you might call us) deem such invasions acceptable. Not just that, but we conduct new ones after that. So yeah, if you do something, officially, with documentation, public money, public employees, and nothing happens, how is it not acceptable? I mean... if it's not acceptable, why did WE do it then? Assuming you're old enough, you literally financed people getting killed there with your taxes. > But you very clearly seem to think the invasion and genocide in Ukraine is acceptable. In the same way as iraq was. But we're not the ones attacking now, and we're bothered by that, so we're using even more money to get more people killed in this war. I have a toilet, and my taxes are going to ukraine to prolong this war, as they went to helping the occupiers of iraq, and are still going to syria (we have soldiers there too). We had to run away from afghanistan a few years ago though... it just cost us and our 'friends' a trillion to replace the taliban with the taliban there, and kill a lot of locals. Apparently, that's acceptable too, since noone is in jail for that war.

twixfel 2y ago
Seems like a good deal to me if you're worried about money rather than lives: give money to Ukraine, keep Russian dictatorship at bay, before it invades other parts of Europe. So cheer up, your taxes are not being wasted, they are saving you money in the long run by keeping Russia from invading Europe even more.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  But ukraine is using that money to kill their own men who don't want to fight. Why don't you go and fight instead, and risk your own life instead of forcing them to do it? Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?
  - mopsi 2y ago
    > Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly? The alternative is that Russia rolls over Ukraine, murders between few hundred thousand and few million people to enforce the occupation, and then decimates Ukrainian male population by using them as cannon fodder against Poland and other European countries. Please explain me how this is any better.
    - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
      I mean sure... it's their choice. If they want to fight against that, sure, let them volounteer and fight. If you can't get any more people to fight without literally forcing them, then you obviously don't have enough "democractic" support for a fight anymore (at least not from the ones whose opinions should matter), and should start looking at the negotiating table.
      - mopsi 2y ago
        This is only going to get more people killed.
        ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        If you believe that, then put your life where your mouth is, and go fight. If you want to live, let others live too. Even during the WW2, a few countries capitulated with the germans and survived, even eg. france. On the other hand, a bunch of those countries (even france), no go half a planet away to kill people over there, and there is no support to those countries to fight harder against the french. And france is far from the only country that does that in europe, not to even mention the USA.
        mopsi 2y ago
        I don't have to volunteer anywhere; I already face rising odds that I'll be conscripted even before this year is out. As to France and other countries occupied by Nazis, capitulation meant a ride to death camp for some, slave labor to others, starvation and oppression for all. France was used as a staging ground for the Battle of Britain and for the aborted invasion of British Isles, and served as a base of operations for submarines attacking allied convoys in the Atlantic ocean. France didn't regain freedom until massive landings on Normandy beaches and fierce fighting through the country by soldiers who were mostly conscripts and not there on their own will, so I don't understand what it was meant to prove.

twixfel 2y ago

Seems like a good deal to me if you're worried about money rather than lives: give money to Ukraine, keep Russian dictatorship at bay, before it invades other parts of Europe. So cheer up, your taxes are not being wasted, they are saving you money in the long run by keeping Russia from invading Europe even more.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago
But ukraine is using that money to kill their own men who don't want to fight. Why don't you go and fight instead, and risk your own life instead of forcing them to do it? Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?
- mopsi 2y ago
  > Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly? The alternative is that Russia rolls over Ukraine, murders between few hundred thousand and few million people to enforce the occupation, and then decimates Ukrainian male population by using them as cannon fodder against Poland and other European countries. Please explain me how this is any better.
  - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
    I mean sure... it's their choice. If they want to fight against that, sure, let them volounteer and fight. If you can't get any more people to fight without literally forcing them, then you obviously don't have enough "democractic" support for a fight anymore (at least not from the ones whose opinions should matter), and should start looking at the negotiating table.
    - mopsi 2y ago
      This is only going to get more people killed.
      - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        If you believe that, then put your life where your mouth is, and go fight. If you want to live, let others live too. Even during the WW2, a few countries capitulated with the germans and survived, even eg. france. On the other hand, a bunch of those countries (even france), no go half a planet away to kill people over there, and there is no support to those countries to fight harder against the french. And france is far from the only country that does that in europe, not to even mention the USA.
        mopsi 2y ago
        I don't have to volunteer anywhere; I already face rising odds that I'll be conscripted even before this year is out. As to France and other countries occupied by Nazis, capitulation meant a ride to death camp for some, slave labor to others, starvation and oppression for all. France was used as a staging ground for the Battle of Britain and for the aborted invasion of British Isles, and served as a base of operations for submarines attacking allied convoys in the Atlantic ocean. France didn't regain freedom until massive landings on Normandy beaches and fierce fighting through the country by soldiers who were mostly conscripts and not there on their own will, so I don't understand what it was meant to prove.