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The media trusted someone that said the "three days" story, didn't verify and published the lie as propaganda, so more people died because they believed that th

The media trusted someone that said the "three days" story, didn't verify and published the lie as propaganda, so more people died because they believed that they'll win after the three days of supplies are used up. > Somethings things get banned even in democratic societies, that's life Yeah sure, sometimes innocent people die, sometimes a piano falls from a crane and kills a person. Some people like you even support such stuff. > Given that Russia is attacking Europe and has carried out numerous executions of private citizens on European soil, I struggle to see why we are obliged to let them air their propaganda in our countries. Maybe suck cuckholdery is appealing to you, but not to me or us. Russia is attacking ukraine, the same way as a bunch of european and american countries were attacking afghanistan, syria, libya, iraq, twice, etc. Why do you care now? Because you're not the one on the attacking side? > I don't complain. Russia is a shithole, we know this, it's established fact at this point, if it wants to cry about Harry Potter and LGBT rather than finally install toilets in peoples houses and help brings its people into the 21st century, then that's their choice. But invading a sovereign country like Ukraine and committing genocide against Ukrainians, that's not really acceptable, sorry. I was refering to this: https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/harry-potter-series-tops-list-banned-books-texas-according-aclu-report https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/harry-potter-series-tops... And more and more books are added to the list in recent time. > But invading a sovereign country like Ukraine and committing genocide against Ukrainians, that's not really acceptable, sorry. Why not? I mean... why is attacking iraq for nonexisting WMDs acceptable, but attacking ukraine for killing minorities in it's own country isn't? I mean.. didn't nato bomb yugoslavia for that same reason?

twixfel 2y ago
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- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  > I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable. But it was. Nothing happened to anyone, no courts, trials, no jail time for any of the politicians, no nothing. So we, as a "western society" (or whatever you might call us) deem such invasions acceptable. Not just that, but we conduct new ones after that. So yeah, if you do something, officially, with documentation, public money, public employees, and nothing happens, how is it not acceptable? I mean... if it's not acceptable, why did WE do it then? Assuming you're old enough, you literally financed people getting killed there with your taxes. > But you very clearly seem to think the invasion and genocide in Ukraine is acceptable. In the same way as iraq was. But we're not the ones attacking now, and we're bothered by that, so we're using even more money to get more people killed in this war. I have a toilet, and my taxes are going to ukraine to prolong this war, as they went to helping the occupiers of iraq, and are still going to syria (we have soldiers there too). We had to run away from afghanistan a few years ago though... it just cost us and our 'friends' a trillion to replace the taliban with the taliban there, and kill a lot of locals. Apparently, that's acceptable too, since noone is in jail for that war.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Seems like a good deal to me if you're worried about money rather than lives: give money to Ukraine, keep Russian dictatorship at bay, before it invades other parts of Europe. So cheer up, your taxes are not being wasted, they are saving you money in the long run by keeping Russia from invading Europe even more.
    - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
      But ukraine is using that money to kill their own men who don't want to fight. Why don't you go and fight instead, and risk your own life instead of forcing them to do it? Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?
      - mopsi 2y ago
        > Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly? The alternative is that Russia rolls over Ukraine, murders between few hundred thousand and few million people to enforce the occupation, and then decimates Ukrainian male population by using them as cannon fodder against Poland and other European countries. Please explain me how this is any better.
        ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        I mean sure... it's their choice. If they want to fight against that, sure, let them volounteer and fight. If you can't get any more people to fight without literally forcing them, then you obviously don't have enough "democractic" support for a fight anymore (at least not from the ones whose opinions should matter), and should start looking at the negotiating table.
        mopsi 2y ago
        This is only going to get more people killed.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  > We are not the same. > Anyway you've let your mask slip, you're pro war and pro genocide. You should consider the the site guidelines. This is completely unacceptable. How can you be so comfortable seeing the world in black and white?
  - twixfel 2y ago
    That person is literally defending the invasion of Ukraine, justifying it in terms of "protecting Russian minorities being killed". How can you be so comfortable casting everything as exactly the same shade of grey, even when it is not always the same shade of grey? How about you consider the site guidelines, if you're defending that person? Don't troll by acting like a neutral observer when you clearly agree with him. Thanks. That's bad faith, and goes against side guidelines.
    - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
      Explanation isn't excuse. You're confounding the two.
      - twixfel 2y ago
        Carry on trying to hit me over the head with the Hacker News rule book whilst turning a blind eye and saying literally nothing to that guy's genocide apologism. You have beclowned yourself.
  - corinroyal 2y ago
    Speak for yourself. The conclusion was reasonable.

twixfel 2y ago

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ajsnigrutin 2y ago
> I don't think the invasion of Iraq was a good thing or acceptable. But it was. Nothing happened to anyone, no courts, trials, no jail time for any of the politicians, no nothing. So we, as a "western society" (or whatever you might call us) deem such invasions acceptable. Not just that, but we conduct new ones after that. So yeah, if you do something, officially, with documentation, public money, public employees, and nothing happens, how is it not acceptable? I mean... if it's not acceptable, why did WE do it then? Assuming you're old enough, you literally financed people getting killed there with your taxes. > But you very clearly seem to think the invasion and genocide in Ukraine is acceptable. In the same way as iraq was. But we're not the ones attacking now, and we're bothered by that, so we're using even more money to get more people killed in this war. I have a toilet, and my taxes are going to ukraine to prolong this war, as they went to helping the occupiers of iraq, and are still going to syria (we have soldiers there too). We had to run away from afghanistan a few years ago though... it just cost us and our 'friends' a trillion to replace the taliban with the taliban there, and kill a lot of locals. Apparently, that's acceptable too, since noone is in jail for that war.
- twixfel 2y ago
  Seems like a good deal to me if you're worried about money rather than lives: give money to Ukraine, keep Russian dictatorship at bay, before it invades other parts of Europe. So cheer up, your taxes are not being wasted, they are saving you money in the long run by keeping Russia from invading Europe even more.
  - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
    But ukraine is using that money to kill their own men who don't want to fight. Why don't you go and fight instead, and risk your own life instead of forcing them to do it? Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly?
    - mopsi 2y ago
      > Considering the sitation in ukraine, we've wasted a lot of money and a lot of ukranian men for what exactly? The alternative is that Russia rolls over Ukraine, murders between few hundred thousand and few million people to enforce the occupation, and then decimates Ukrainian male population by using them as cannon fodder against Poland and other European countries. Please explain me how this is any better.
      - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        I mean sure... it's their choice. If they want to fight against that, sure, let them volounteer and fight. If you can't get any more people to fight without literally forcing them, then you obviously don't have enough "democractic" support for a fight anymore (at least not from the ones whose opinions should matter), and should start looking at the negotiating table.
        mopsi 2y ago
        This is only going to get more people killed.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
> We are not the same. > Anyway you've let your mask slip, you're pro war and pro genocide. You should consider the the site guidelines. This is completely unacceptable. How can you be so comfortable seeing the world in black and white?
- twixfel 2y ago
  That person is literally defending the invasion of Ukraine, justifying it in terms of "protecting Russian minorities being killed". How can you be so comfortable casting everything as exactly the same shade of grey, even when it is not always the same shade of grey? How about you consider the site guidelines, if you're defending that person? Don't troll by acting like a neutral observer when you clearly agree with him. Thanks. That's bad faith, and goes against side guidelines.
  - DiggyJohnson 2y ago
    Explanation isn't excuse. You're confounding the two.
    - twixfel 2y ago
      Carry on trying to hit me over the head with the Hacker News rule book whilst turning a blind eye and saying literally nothing to that guy's genocide apologism. You have beclowned yourself.
- corinroyal 2y ago
  Speak for yourself. The conclusion was reasonable.