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There are two colliding views here - one is that Israel is acting in good faith, and the other - that Israel is on a campaign of cruelty. For the believers in t

There are two colliding views here - one is that Israel is acting in good faith, and the other - that Israel is on a campaign of cruelty. For the believers in the former, i want to bring two facts: > tightly controlled land border for people who think border is there for security, you should be aware that Israel has, for years, blocked imports of essential sanitary products and food items into Gaza, i.e. toilet paper, soap, and humus. Many of the tunnels under gaza were built for smuggling in these items. United states has long protested this policy: https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52A5TA/ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52A5TA/ > Failure of the peace process in 1995 Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Rabin, was assassinated by Israeli religious extremist to sabotage the peace process > The perpetrator was Yigal Amir, a 25-year-old former Hesder student and far-right law student at Bar-Ilan University. Amir had strenuously opposed Rabin's peace initiative, particularly the signing of the Oslo Accords, because he felt that an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank would deny Jews their "biblical heritage which they had reclaimed by establishing settlements".

jakelazaroff 2y ago
I’ll add one more, which I alluded to in my first comment. Netanyahu has been supporting and funding Hamas for years, specifically and explicitly to prevent recognition of a Palestinian state. Direct quote: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.” https://archive.md/2024.04.07-081801/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/another-concept-implodes-israel-cant-be-managed-by-a-criminal-defendant/0000018b-1382-d2fc-a59f-d39b5dbf0000 https://archive.md/2024.04.07-081801/https://www.haaretz.com... But yeah, I’m sure all those peace offers were totally legitimate and it’s Palestine’s fault for never being satisfied.
rendall 2y ago
> should be aware that Israel has, for years, blocked imports of essential sanitary products and food items into Gaza, i.e. toilet paper, soap, and humus. Many of the tunnels under gaza were built for smuggling in these items Oh, now I understand! This is but a simple misunderstanding! How silly, but easy to clear up. You see, the tunnels came first - into Israel in order to kill Israelis. Only then did Israel and Egypt blockade Gaza. Had nothing to do with smuggling. Now that that is cleared up, you can distrust Hamas and trust Israel. Unless, of course, there's another misunderstanding in your way that I can clear up for us all? https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3267217,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3267217,00.html (note the date, 2006 - after withdrawal in 2005 but before the blockade in 2007)
- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  At that point, Israel had already imposed sanctions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4729000.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4729000.stm But also, that Ynet article is just stenography for the IDF! The only sources are IDF officers and the Israeli defense minister. Why would anyone believe this is not just manufacturing a pretext for escalation?
  - rendall 2y ago
    > Why would anyone believe this is not just manufacturing a pretext for escalation? Why would anyone believe that?

jakelazaroff 2y ago

I’ll add one more, which I alluded to in my first comment. Netanyahu has been supporting and funding Hamas for years, specifically and explicitly to prevent recognition of a Palestinian state. Direct quote: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas.” https://archive.md/2024.04.07-081801/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-09/ty-article/.premium/another-concept-implodes-israel-cant-be-managed-by-a-criminal-defendant/0000018b-1382-d2fc-a59f-d39b5dbf0000 https://archive.md/2024.04.07-081801/https://www.haaretz.com... But yeah, I’m sure all those peace offers were totally legitimate and it’s Palestine’s fault for never being satisfied.

rendall 2y ago

> should be aware that Israel has, for years, blocked imports of essential sanitary products and food items into Gaza, i.e. toilet paper, soap, and humus. Many of the tunnels under gaza were built for smuggling in these items Oh, now I understand! This is but a simple misunderstanding! How silly, but easy to clear up. You see, the tunnels came first - into Israel in order to kill Israelis. Only then did Israel and Egypt blockade Gaza. Had nothing to do with smuggling. Now that that is cleared up, you can distrust Hamas and trust Israel. Unless, of course, there's another misunderstanding in your way that I can clear up for us all? https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3267217,00.html https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3267217,00.html (note the date, 2006 - after withdrawal in 2005 but before the blockade in 2007)

jakelazaroff 2y ago
At that point, Israel had already imposed sanctions: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4729000.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4729000.stm But also, that Ynet article is just stenography for the IDF! The only sources are IDF officers and the Israeli defense minister. Why would anyone believe this is not just manufacturing a pretext for escalation?
- rendall 2y ago
  > Why would anyone believe this is not just manufacturing a pretext for escalation? Why would anyone believe that?