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This is a fork that grew from https://save-nix-together.org/ https://save-nix-together.org/.

• koverstreet 2y ago
  That's quite a screed.
• mhh__ 2y ago
  I don't have anything against people going their own way but having been on both ends of this kind of rumble in open source my resounding opinion is that you literally cannot please the aggrieved side. It's a mixture of many things — some people are reasonable and just want sensible change, others are dangerous neurotics who need to go outside; both can end up, deliberately or not, using it as blackmail for control — but the moment the ball gets rolling it's pretty much impossible to stop. I'd bail if a BDFL was an avowed Nazi but the bar for some just seems to be ridiculously low to the point where it's hard to imagine any (offline) social aptitude. I'm not sure what gave me the impression but even from skimming the nix discourse the community's emergent personality did seem a bit snowflake-ish. I've heard people make a kind of reverse-conway argument about Rust attracting (auth-) leftists, perhaps for another time...
  • Dalewyn 2y ago
    >BDFL "Benevolent Dictator For Life", most famously Mark Shuttleworth of Ubuntu if I recall.
    • inhumantsar 2y ago
      Guido Rossum of Python
    • WJW 2y ago
      Funny how it probably differs per ~5 years who is the most famous BDFL. I'd have gone for Linus Torvalds as the most famous, or maybe Guido van Rossum.
      • vundercind 2y ago
        I’d never seen Shuttleworth labeled a BDFL until this thread. Your two are the first who come to mind.
        • Y_Y 2y ago
          https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth He even uses `sabdfl` as his handle.
          • vundercind 2y ago
            This self-labeling definitely adds to a… picture I have of the guy, from other practices (like extensive personality testing of job applicants, unusual questions about background)
    • HumblyTossed 2y ago
      Most famous is probably GvR...
• gus_massa 2y ago
  How many commits has each fork that are not in the other?
  • KingMob 2y ago
    Not sure, but afaik, one of the first big changes was to use Meson for building, instead of Dolstra's homegrown build system. Apparently, the switch to Meson was approved, and coded, ages ago, but Dolstra kept dragging his heels on it.
    • infinisil 2y ago
      I'm afraid the letter spread some misinformation: The meson RFC has in fact not been approved: https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/132 https://github.com/NixOS/rfcs/pull/132 For a discussion on this, see https://github.com/KFearsoff/nix-drama-explained/issues/1 https://github.com/KFearsoff/nix-drama-explained/issues/1
      • KingMob 2y ago
        Doesn't that get the timeline backwards? I thought the RFC was opened in response to inaction on the part of switching to Meson, which had been informally agreed-on.
        • infinisil 2y ago
          I'm going to quote https://save-nix-together.org/ https://save-nix-together.org/: > Single-handedly blocking Meson, which has a passed RFC, for five years because he doesn’t know meson but knows his own build system I don't know about exact timelines, but the letter is definitely wrong about this part.
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