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EU has a ban on RT on its books today, nearly every single democratic country is currently or has previously censored media. Without judging this specific actio

EU has a ban on RT on its books today, nearly every single democratic country is currently or has previously censored media. Without judging this specific action, saying that Israel is bad for doing something that every other country does or has done makes it seem like your problem is not really with what is being done, but your problem is with Israel. This may not be the case, you may not be aware that nearly every country engages in censorship of some form.

megous 2y ago
What you're missing is that Israel is banning foreign reporters from Gaza. That's why there are none there. It also number 1 reporter killing country in the world. Killed more than 100 in the last 365 days. Does EU kill reporters? So stop your false comparisons.
- flanked-evergl 2y ago
  How many of those 100 journalists killed were intentionally killed because they were journalists, as opposed to dying as collateral damage? And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options than entering through the Israeli border, they can enter through the Egyptian border.
  - cthaeh 2y ago
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  - megous 2y ago
    > And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options... First, they don't. All crossings are controlled by Israel. There's a reason why you have a lot of foreign reporting on the ground from Syria civil war and nothing from Gaza. (I noted your switch from Gaza to Palestine, btw) And journalistic agencies complain about this repeatedly. 10% of journalists killed (against 2% of total population killed) and ratios of killed/injured certainly suggest special targeting. So here, have a blast and count for yourself based on your definition of collateral damage: https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... there's a story/sources there for every single killing that is known/documented. To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list. Things like sniper and other direct fire killings, being killed in their homes along with their families when doing nothing but dinning or sleeping, or at assignments, or in front of hospitals near journalist tents, or being denied medevac after critical injuries, is not how I'd define collateral damage.
    - flanked-evergl 2y ago
      > All crossings are controlled by Israel. This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's or Jordan's borders. > To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list. By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: > Our database will not include all of these casualties until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ. I did check some of them, and I would agree some of it look concerning at face value, but I'm not sure if I would take any of those sources at face value. I would very much like to see some investigation into this, but without the war ending, I don't really see how that will happen.
      - megous 2y ago
        > This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's borders. Of course it does. It closed the crossing shortly after Oct 7. Crossing it, requires Israel approval and inspections. The moment Egypt stops observing Israel's rules, it will bomb the crossing. It did bomb it already a few times last year in order to close it. Israel already stated that it will operate anywhere in Gaza militarily, that includes the Rafah crossing, and it does. That's pretty much what anyone would consider being in control of a crossing, effectively. In addition, despite this crossing being between Palestine and Egypt, the agreement that splits the roles of who does what at the crossing is between Egypt and Israel as part of Israel-Egypt peace treaty https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-reality-egypt-gaza-border-part-i-contents-new-israel-egypt-agreement https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-real... So Israel does partially control it even in this "legal" aspect. It kinda makes sense given that Gaza is still considered an occupied territory by UN. Since when occupied territories control their own corssings with other countries? > By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: Yes, that goes back to Israel refusal for independent foreign journalists presence in Gaza. Or ICC investigators. Convenient.
      - megous 2y ago
        > Today: "BREAKING| Security sources to Al Aqsa TV: Three Israeli tanks are stationed 200 meters away from the Rafah border crossing and have fired several shells at buildings on the border crossing." No control. Right.

megous 2y ago

What you're missing is that Israel is banning foreign reporters from Gaza. That's why there are none there. It also number 1 reporter killing country in the world. Killed more than 100 in the last 365 days. Does EU kill reporters? So stop your false comparisons.

flanked-evergl 2y ago
How many of those 100 journalists killed were intentionally killed because they were journalists, as opposed to dying as collateral damage? And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options than entering through the Israeli border, they can enter through the Egyptian border.
- cthaeh 2y ago
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- megous 2y ago
  > And if foreign journalists want to get into Palestine, they have other options... First, they don't. All crossings are controlled by Israel. There's a reason why you have a lot of foreign reporting on the ground from Syria civil war and nothing from Gaza. (I noted your switch from Gaza to Palestine, btw) And journalistic agencies complain about this repeatedly. 10% of journalists killed (against 2% of total population killed) and ratios of killed/injured certainly suggest special targeting. So here, have a blast and count for yourself based on your definition of collateral damage: https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-... there's a story/sources there for every single killing that is known/documented. To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list. Things like sniper and other direct fire killings, being killed in their homes along with their families when doing nothing but dinning or sleeping, or at assignments, or in front of hospitals near journalist tents, or being denied medevac after critical injuries, is not how I'd define collateral damage.
  - flanked-evergl 2y ago
    > All crossings are controlled by Israel. This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's or Jordan's borders. > To me, it looks like majority were killed intentionally based on that list. By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: > Our database will not include all of these casualties until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them. For more information, read our FAQ. I did check some of them, and I would agree some of it look concerning at face value, but I'm not sure if I would take any of those sources at face value. I would very much like to see some investigation into this, but without the war ending, I don't really see how that will happen.
    - megous 2y ago
      > This is false. Israel does not control Egypt's borders. Of course it does. It closed the crossing shortly after Oct 7. Crossing it, requires Israel approval and inspections. The moment Egypt stops observing Israel's rules, it will bomb the crossing. It did bomb it already a few times last year in order to close it. Israel already stated that it will operate anywhere in Gaza militarily, that includes the Rafah crossing, and it does. That's pretty much what anyone would consider being in control of a crossing, effectively. In addition, despite this crossing being between Palestine and Egypt, the agreement that splits the roles of who does what at the crossing is between Egypt and Israel as part of Israel-Egypt peace treaty https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-reality-egypt-gaza-border-part-i-contents-new-israel-egypt-agreement https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-real... So Israel does partially control it even in this "legal" aspect. It kinda makes sense given that Gaza is still considered an occupied territory by UN. Since when occupied territories control their own corssings with other countries? > By CPJ's own account, that list is not verified: Yes, that goes back to Israel refusal for independent foreign journalists presence in Gaza. Or ICC investigators. Convenient.
    - megous 2y ago
      > Today: "BREAKING| Security sources to Al Aqsa TV: Three Israeli tanks are stationed 200 meters away from the Rafah border crossing and have fired several shells at buildings on the border crossing." No control. Right.