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Exactly, I prefer to listen to experts and the experts were saying it was a bad idea (esp without air power). It was news media and politicians (ie, not militar

Exactly, I prefer to listen to experts and the experts were saying it was a bad idea (esp without air power). It was news media and politicians (ie, not military experts) that cheered it on.

mrtksn 2y ago
It's amazing how you believe that militaries and politicians operate without experts and there're experts on the social media/ tradmedia who came together analysed the situation, came to a definitive prediction about the outcome of a military operation but the western media surpassed those experts and as a result politicians and military engaged in a futile counterattack. Fascinating mental model on how the world works.
- cpursley 2y ago
  That’s exactly what happened, yeah. And warfare/foreign policy is not the only issue they gaslight us on.
- DiggyJohnson 2y ago
  You're being very disrespectful in this conversation. I was GP has provided links and references when they made their comment, but they are certainly correct. The way the conflict is covered in US media makes it seem like Ukraine is wily superhero making good progress against the bumbling Russians. This does not reflect the current reality or future prospects in the conflict.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    Apologies if I sounded disrespectful, I’m just fascinated that people can conceptualize the world in this way.
llamaimperative 2y ago
Pretty sure the actual world leading experts on Ukraine’s situation are the ones making battlefield decisions in Ukraine. Like the other commenter said, what a fascinating model of the world you’ve built here.
- cpursley 2y ago
  Holding a non-narrative driven view might be fascinating for some, I suppose.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    You are literally constructing a narrative that western news media makes the decisions on the Ukrainian battlefield.
    - cpursley 2y ago
      Yes, it is a major contributing factor. PR wins help with public support for funding. This situation/topic is not the only situation they intentionally manipulate public option on.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Lots of narrative here buddy
        cpursley 2y ago
        Lot of books, buddy. You might want to start with this one: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12617.Manufacturing_Consent https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12617.Manufacturing_Cons...
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure that "western news anchors produce an expected-to-fail counteroffensive in Ukraine" would even make Chomsky roll his eyes. Your explanation is not even internally coherent. A successful counteroffensive is a PR win. An unsuccessful one is a PR loss, obviously.
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Exactly, I prefer to listen to experts and the experts were saying it was a bad idea (esp without air power). It was news media and politicians (ie, not military experts) that cheered it on.

mrtksn 2y ago

It's amazing how you believe that militaries and politicians operate without experts and there're experts on the social media/ tradmedia who came together analysed the situation, came to a definitive prediction about the outcome of a military operation but the western media surpassed those experts and as a result politicians and military engaged in a futile counterattack. Fascinating mental model on how the world works.

cpursley 2y ago
That’s exactly what happened, yeah. And warfare/foreign policy is not the only issue they gaslight us on.
DiggyJohnson 2y ago
You're being very disrespectful in this conversation. I was GP has provided links and references when they made their comment, but they are certainly correct. The way the conflict is covered in US media makes it seem like Ukraine is wily superhero making good progress against the bumbling Russians. This does not reflect the current reality or future prospects in the conflict.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  Apologies if I sounded disrespectful, I’m just fascinated that people can conceptualize the world in this way.

llamaimperative 2y ago

Pretty sure the actual world leading experts on Ukraine’s situation are the ones making battlefield decisions in Ukraine. Like the other commenter said, what a fascinating model of the world you’ve built here.

cpursley 2y ago
Holding a non-narrative driven view might be fascinating for some, I suppose.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  You are literally constructing a narrative that western news media makes the decisions on the Ukrainian battlefield.
  - cpursley 2y ago
    Yes, it is a major contributing factor. PR wins help with public support for funding. This situation/topic is not the only situation they intentionally manipulate public option on.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Lots of narrative here buddy
      - cpursley 2y ago
        Lot of books, buddy. You might want to start with this one: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12617.Manufacturing_Consent https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/12617.Manufacturing_Cons...
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure that "western news anchors produce an expected-to-fail counteroffensive in Ukraine" would even make Chomsky roll his eyes. Your explanation is not even internally coherent. A successful counteroffensive is a PR win. An unsuccessful one is a PR loss, obviously.
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