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Very interesting! I would like some clarity on the Terms of Service clause 4: > The content created using Supertone Shift remains your property. However, by u

Very interesting! I would like some clarity on the Terms of Service clause 4: > The content created using Supertone Shift remains your property. However, by using our Services, you grant Supertone a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free license to use, reproduce, adapt, and display content solely for the purpose of operating and improving Supertone Shift. This license does not grant Supertone any rights to sell or distribute your content. Does Supertone Shift need the user content in order to further improve the product during the beta period? Or does it need the user content in normal operation (for example, running the conversion on remote servers vs local processing)? I can see some hesitation from people if you're recording everything they say, and keeping that recording for an indefinite period of time. I can appreciate that there may be a problem enforcing a "Don't use our product for evil" clause, if you can review usage. The challenge here seems overwhelming.

htrp 2y ago
Looks like facebook's ToS, we may need your data for some unspecified purpose ("AI model training") that we can't even dream of right now, so we'll just take all the rights
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echelon 2y ago
There are dozens of other products in this category, including completely open source ones you can fine tune. Commercial applications like Voice.Ai and Koe are real time and have celebrity and anime voices respectively. The RVC ecosystem on GitHub has dozens of different real time open source voice changers. I haven't kept up with the SOTA, but they're incredible, fine tunable, and 100% local. https://voice.ai https://voice.ai https://koe.ai https://koe.ai https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkaBK5erB2c https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkaBK5erB2c
- andoando 2y ago
  Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. They all use like 50% of my cpu to get real time. I was able to get actual low latency with koi, but still massive cpu usage. And theres no community of models for it either. Perhaps someone who really knows what theyre doing could optimize these open source models but its not me
  - hiatus 2y ago
    > Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. Could you share the repo?
    - HanayamaTriplet 2y ago
      I'm assuming it's this one which was posted from their Twitter: https://github.com/KoeAI/llvc https://github.com/KoeAI/llvc
    - andoando 2y ago
      You can find kois model if you search koi llvc. I just made some modifications to run it as a stream from a microphone. I am trying to develop my own voice changer (https://voicechange.io https://voicechange.io) so I dont want to share the source code for that.
weinzierl 2y ago
The phrasing is pretty standard, the important part is the middle sentence. Often it includes irrevocable, transferable and sublicensable as well. That being said, I hate "remains your property" part. It's just fluff that changes nothing, but distracts from the following sentence.
- Gormo 2y ago
  The reason why this is standard is because functionally, anything that receives data from a user, hosts it, and transmits it to third parties is engaging in distribution of copyrighted content. Without a grant of license, pretty much every message board, social media platform, or any website or internet-based application that does anything with user-generated data could be exposed to copyright liability. You may note that this very site's legal declarations page includes an identical clause. "Remains your property" is not fluff at all, and explicitly disclaims any ownership of rights associated with content you post, and equivalently indemnifies users against any liability for re-posting or re-using content they posted here, which they'd potentially be exposed to if they were assigning copyright to the hosting platform rather than just granting a license.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    that is totally dependent on the jurisdictions involved, and modified by the agreement that the user accepts to start the service(s) no?
    - Gormo 2y ago
      It's part of the agreement that the user accepts to use the service, and there are frameworks in place that already implement cross-jurisdictional reciprocity for things like copyright licenses.
  - j45 2y ago
    Stating you own it, and then licensing it away in the sentence after to give yourself irrevocable rights seems duplicitous. Neat looking service though.
autoexecbat 2y ago
It could atleast have a time limit
IndySun 2y ago
You don't need to look far to understand those terms are standard, and by 'standard' see non-binding, or broad, it doesnt matter what they 'say' here because you will only find supertone abusing these 'terms' if someone at supertone lets you know - meanwhile your voice is syphoned off and used in anyway their friends see fit, and no terms laid out here will be broken. As per other replies for standard software terms, see duplicitous.

htrp 2y ago

Looks like facebook's ToS, we may need your data for some unspecified purpose ("AI model training") that we can't even dream of right now, so we'll just take all the rights

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echelon 2y ago

There are dozens of other products in this category, including completely open source ones you can fine tune. Commercial applications like Voice.Ai and Koe are real time and have celebrity and anime voices respectively. The RVC ecosystem on GitHub has dozens of different real time open source voice changers. I haven't kept up with the SOTA, but they're incredible, fine tunable, and 100% local. https://voice.ai https://voice.ai https://koe.ai https://koe.ai https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkaBK5erB2c https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkaBK5erB2c

andoando 2y ago
Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. They all use like 50% of my cpu to get real time. I was able to get actual low latency with koi, but still massive cpu usage. And theres no community of models for it either. Perhaps someone who really knows what theyre doing could optimize these open source models but its not me
- hiatus 2y ago
  > Ive tried making this exact product using all of these services, including using github repo koi is based on. Could you share the repo?
  - HanayamaTriplet 2y ago
    I'm assuming it's this one which was posted from their Twitter: https://github.com/KoeAI/llvc https://github.com/KoeAI/llvc
  - andoando 2y ago
    You can find kois model if you search koi llvc. I just made some modifications to run it as a stream from a microphone. I am trying to develop my own voice changer (https://voicechange.io https://voicechange.io) so I dont want to share the source code for that.

weinzierl 2y ago

The phrasing is pretty standard, the important part is the middle sentence. Often it includes irrevocable, transferable and sublicensable as well. That being said, I hate "remains your property" part. It's just fluff that changes nothing, but distracts from the following sentence.

Gormo 2y ago
The reason why this is standard is because functionally, anything that receives data from a user, hosts it, and transmits it to third parties is engaging in distribution of copyrighted content. Without a grant of license, pretty much every message board, social media platform, or any website or internet-based application that does anything with user-generated data could be exposed to copyright liability. You may note that this very site's legal declarations page includes an identical clause. "Remains your property" is not fluff at all, and explicitly disclaims any ownership of rights associated with content you post, and equivalently indemnifies users against any liability for re-posting or re-using content they posted here, which they'd potentially be exposed to if they were assigning copyright to the hosting platform rather than just granting a license.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  that is totally dependent on the jurisdictions involved, and modified by the agreement that the user accepts to start the service(s) no?
  - Gormo 2y ago
    It's part of the agreement that the user accepts to use the service, and there are frameworks in place that already implement cross-jurisdictional reciprocity for things like copyright licenses.
- j45 2y ago
  Stating you own it, and then licensing it away in the sentence after to give yourself irrevocable rights seems duplicitous. Neat looking service though.

autoexecbat 2y ago

It could atleast have a time limit

IndySun 2y ago

You don't need to look far to understand those terms are standard, and by 'standard' see non-binding, or broad, it doesnt matter what they 'say' here because you will only find supertone abusing these 'terms' if someone at supertone lets you know - meanwhile your voice is syphoned off and used in anyway their friends see fit, and no terms laid out here will be broken. As per other replies for standard software terms, see duplicitous.