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RT is not truth though. When a country is fighting for its very survival against a genocidal foe, I'm not about to start clutching my pearls that they've banne

RT is not truth though. When a country is fighting for its very survival against a genocidal foe, I'm not about to start clutching my pearls that they've banned their genocidal foe's propaganda. Seems reasonable to me.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago
It's no worse than CNNs take on iraq and weapons of mass destruction, or (to go to the ru-ukr war), all the "putin has 3 days of supplies left" articles from 2022, 2023 and this year. You just prefer your own propaganda.
- twixfel 2y ago
  I don't think that "putin has 3 days of supplies left" propaganda is just as bad as the kind of genocidal propaganda pumped out by the Russian media, no, sorry. Not all propaganda is born equal. Antisemitic propaganda pumped out by the Nazis in WW2 was absolutely worse than "keep calm and carry on" propaganda pumped out by the Brits during WW2. Hope that helps.
  - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
    But if you truly believe that putin is losing due to propaganda, you'll go and fight a war you believe you'll win... and then die, because the media lied to you. How is this good for you? I mean sure... you, as an outside observer want more "other" people to die for a cause you believe in, but for an individual it's better to know the truth and decide according to that, than to be mislead by lies and propaganda.
    - twixfel 2y ago
      Ukraine seems pretty intent on continuing to fight, I'm not forcing them to do anything, indeed I have no power over Ukrainian policy whatsoever. If Ukraine wants to fight then I believe we should support them. Hope that helps. > fight a war you believe you'll win... and then die I can't imagine any sane person is going to blame the Ukrainian media for Russia invading Ukraine, killing Ukrainian soldiers and committing genocide in Ukraine. I imagine they would, you know, blame Russia itself. Lol. Thanks for the hot takes though, amusing, if not also a little bit sad.
      - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        > Ukraine seems pretty intent on continuing to fight Yeah, i saw the videos of men being kidnapped from the streets, and the articles about european countries trying to forcibly sending men (who managed to escape) back to ukraine, to die for zelensky. Once you're out of volounteers ready to fight, you're not "intent on" anything anymore, but are forcing young (and a bit less young) men to die for politics. And ukraine hasn't had any volounteers for quite a lot of time now. > I can't imagine any sane person is going to blame the Ukrainian media for Russia invading Ukraine, killing Ukrainian soldiers and committing genocide in Ukraine. I imagine they would, you know, blame Russia itself. Lol. Ukranian media can be a cause for uninformed men to die in a way, that they would never fight in, if they knew the truth.
        twixfel 2y ago
        Yeah that's why war sucks bro. People end up getting conscripted when the war is for the very existence of the country itself. It sucks. So Russia should withdraw. Anyway seethe more. And keep acting all shocked and outraged that countries produce propaganda during war time when they are attacked. Lol.
        ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        But if people prefer their own life to some lines on the map... why should we force them to fight? I mean.. shouldn't ukranian individuals have a choice? Are we really supporting forcefully sending them to die? Is this "democracy"? "western way of life"? If you prefer lines on the map, why not help with the fighting, instead of being a keyboard warrior?
        twixfel 2y ago
        >If you prefer lines on the map, why not help with the fighting, instead of being a keyboard warrior? If you are so desperate for Russia to win, why don't you go and join the Russian army and join a meat wave? > shouldn't ukranian individuals have a choice Conscription in its various forms is as old as warfare itself. I cannot believe you think Ukraine invented conscription lmao.

ajsnigrutin 2y ago

It's no worse than CNNs take on iraq and weapons of mass destruction, or (to go to the ru-ukr war), all the "putin has 3 days of supplies left" articles from 2022, 2023 and this year. You just prefer your own propaganda.

twixfel 2y ago
I don't think that "putin has 3 days of supplies left" propaganda is just as bad as the kind of genocidal propaganda pumped out by the Russian media, no, sorry. Not all propaganda is born equal. Antisemitic propaganda pumped out by the Nazis in WW2 was absolutely worse than "keep calm and carry on" propaganda pumped out by the Brits during WW2. Hope that helps.
- ajsnigrutin 2y ago
  But if you truly believe that putin is losing due to propaganda, you'll go and fight a war you believe you'll win... and then die, because the media lied to you. How is this good for you? I mean sure... you, as an outside observer want more "other" people to die for a cause you believe in, but for an individual it's better to know the truth and decide according to that, than to be mislead by lies and propaganda.
  - twixfel 2y ago
    Ukraine seems pretty intent on continuing to fight, I'm not forcing them to do anything, indeed I have no power over Ukrainian policy whatsoever. If Ukraine wants to fight then I believe we should support them. Hope that helps. > fight a war you believe you'll win... and then die I can't imagine any sane person is going to blame the Ukrainian media for Russia invading Ukraine, killing Ukrainian soldiers and committing genocide in Ukraine. I imagine they would, you know, blame Russia itself. Lol. Thanks for the hot takes though, amusing, if not also a little bit sad.
    - ajsnigrutin 2y ago
      > Ukraine seems pretty intent on continuing to fight Yeah, i saw the videos of men being kidnapped from the streets, and the articles about european countries trying to forcibly sending men (who managed to escape) back to ukraine, to die for zelensky. Once you're out of volounteers ready to fight, you're not "intent on" anything anymore, but are forcing young (and a bit less young) men to die for politics. And ukraine hasn't had any volounteers for quite a lot of time now. > I can't imagine any sane person is going to blame the Ukrainian media for Russia invading Ukraine, killing Ukrainian soldiers and committing genocide in Ukraine. I imagine they would, you know, blame Russia itself. Lol. Ukranian media can be a cause for uninformed men to die in a way, that they would never fight in, if they knew the truth.
      - twixfel 2y ago
        Yeah that's why war sucks bro. People end up getting conscripted when the war is for the very existence of the country itself. It sucks. So Russia should withdraw. Anyway seethe more. And keep acting all shocked and outraged that countries produce propaganda during war time when they are attacked. Lol.
        ajsnigrutin 2y ago
        But if people prefer their own life to some lines on the map... why should we force them to fight? I mean.. shouldn't ukranian individuals have a choice? Are we really supporting forcefully sending them to die? Is this "democracy"? "western way of life"? If you prefer lines on the map, why not help with the fighting, instead of being a keyboard warrior?
        twixfel 2y ago
        >If you prefer lines on the map, why not help with the fighting, instead of being a keyboard warrior? If you are so desperate for Russia to win, why don't you go and join the Russian army and join a meat wave? > shouldn't ukranian individuals have a choice Conscription in its various forms is as old as warfare itself. I cannot believe you think Ukraine invented conscription lmao.