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They can ban whatever they want, after all its a democracy only in name. I'd be far more concerned about Israel using its direct influence or its proxies to ban

They can ban whatever they want, after all its a democracy only in name. I'd be far more concerned about Israel using its direct influence or its proxies to ban TikTok in the United States.

kmeisthax 2y ago
If you want to play conspiracy theorist, the correct conspiracy is that Mark Zuckerberg is responsible for the TikTok ban bill, given that he was lobbying for it.
- farseer 2y ago
  Your conspiracy theory can co-exist with mine :) I believe multiple parties want TikTok banned for their own reasons. However I am hearing more and more people mention TikTok and Israel together inside congressional circles than mentions of "TikTok and China". Here is an example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/blinken-romney-israel-hamas-tiktok-b2540021.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
  - drdrek 2y ago
    How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible?? India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers? Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately.
    - farseer 2y ago
      >>How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible?? Inside "Congressional circles" as clearly written in my post. And I should have added within the past few months. >>India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers? India can have its own reasons, my argument is limited to the United States and that too, through wooing Congress >>Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok? I didn't say that, of-course not. >>Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately. I like you... I mean the way you classified me into your world view, twisted my arguments. You think, I will now defend a conspiracy of "Jewish World Domination"? Very impressive sir!
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beltsazar 2y ago
What do you mean? Israel ranks 30th in The Economist Democracy Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index It's not great, but it's also far from what you said "democracy only in name."
- aprilthird2021 2y ago
  Israel currently denies the right to vote to more people that its government controls the lives of than it grants the right to vote for. This is because it wants to be both a Jewish (demography-first) and democratic (equal-representaition-first) state. I'm very aware of why this is the case and the history. This is the current case on the ground. Palestinians do not have their own state (according to Israel), so they are occupied and have all their imports, exports, water usage, food intake, ability to earn money, etc. etc. regulated and controlled by a government they cannot vote for, while a minority of people on the other side of a wall can vote for that government. That's a democracy in name only
  - Beefin 2y ago
    Israel's government administers several territories with different legal statuses for their inhabitants: Israeli citizens, including Arabs, Jews, and others within the borders recognized internationally as Israel, all have the right to vote. Residents of East Jerusalem, mostly Palestinians, are typically offered permanent residency status but not citizenship. They have the right to apply for citizenship, though it involves a complex process. They can vote in local elections but not in national elections unless they become citizens. Inhabitants of the West Bank are not Israeli citizens and do not have the right to vote in Israeli national elections. They are subject to some Israeli military law and some laws set by the Palestinian Authority. Gaza Strip is governed by Hamas, and the inhabitants do not have rights to vote in Israeli elections. Israel does not have administrative control over Gaza but does control most of its borders, airspace, and maritime access.
    - aprilthird2021 2y ago
      Yeah that's pretty much what I said, Palestinians are basically not in their own state and not voting citizens of Israel but controlled by Israel and the majority of native born people living under Israeli rule
gradientsrneat 2y ago
Here is a list of countries that have banned or restricted TikTok: https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwide-countries-united-states-law/ https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwid... Israel isn't even on this list.

They can ban whatever they want, after all its a democracy only in name. I'd be far more concerned about Israel using its direct influence or its proxies to ban TikTok in the United States.

kmeisthax 2y ago

If you want to play conspiracy theorist, the correct conspiracy is that Mark Zuckerberg is responsible for the TikTok ban bill, given that he was lobbying for it.

farseer 2y ago
Your conspiracy theory can co-exist with mine :) I believe multiple parties want TikTok banned for their own reasons. However I am hearing more and more people mention TikTok and Israel together inside congressional circles than mentions of "TikTok and China". Here is an example: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/blinken-romney-israel-hamas-tiktok-b2540021.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- drdrek 2y ago
  How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible?? India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers? Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_TikTok Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately.
  - farseer 2y ago
    >>How have you heard more about TikTok and Israel than TikTok and china? How is that possible?? Inside "Congressional circles" as clearly written in my post. And I should have added within the past few months. >>India banned TikTok in 2020 accusing Chinese influence, are they time travelers? India can have its own reasons, my argument is limited to the United States and that too, through wooing Congress >>Did israel convince all of these countries to ban TikTok? I didn't say that, of-course not. >>Wow the Jewish World Domination Forum is really pushing its weight around lately. I like you... I mean the way you classified me into your world view, twisted my arguments. You think, I will now defend a conspiracy of "Jewish World Domination"? Very impressive sir!
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beltsazar 2y ago

What do you mean? Israel ranks 30th in The Economist Democracy Index: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index It's not great, but it's also far from what you said "democracy only in name."

aprilthird2021 2y ago
Israel currently denies the right to vote to more people that its government controls the lives of than it grants the right to vote for. This is because it wants to be both a Jewish (demography-first) and democratic (equal-representaition-first) state. I'm very aware of why this is the case and the history. This is the current case on the ground. Palestinians do not have their own state (according to Israel), so they are occupied and have all their imports, exports, water usage, food intake, ability to earn money, etc. etc. regulated and controlled by a government they cannot vote for, while a minority of people on the other side of a wall can vote for that government. That's a democracy in name only
- Beefin 2y ago
  Israel's government administers several territories with different legal statuses for their inhabitants: Israeli citizens, including Arabs, Jews, and others within the borders recognized internationally as Israel, all have the right to vote. Residents of East Jerusalem, mostly Palestinians, are typically offered permanent residency status but not citizenship. They have the right to apply for citizenship, though it involves a complex process. They can vote in local elections but not in national elections unless they become citizens. Inhabitants of the West Bank are not Israeli citizens and do not have the right to vote in Israeli national elections. They are subject to some Israeli military law and some laws set by the Palestinian Authority. Gaza Strip is governed by Hamas, and the inhabitants do not have rights to vote in Israeli elections. Israel does not have administrative control over Gaza but does control most of its borders, airspace, and maritime access.
  - aprilthird2021 2y ago
    Yeah that's pretty much what I said, Palestinians are basically not in their own state and not voting citizens of Israel but controlled by Israel and the majority of native born people living under Israeli rule

gradientsrneat 2y ago

Here is a list of countries that have banned or restricted TikTok: https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwide-countries-united-states-law/ https://time.com/6971009/tiktok-banned-restrictions-worldwid... Israel isn't even on this list.