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Doves is insanely easy on the eyes despite so much going on. There is also mebinac[1] an unauthorized contemporary take on the original doves. Mebinac doesn't l

Doves is insanely easy on the eyes despite so much going on. There is also mebinac[1] an unauthorized contemporary take on the original doves. Mebinac doesn't leap off the page as well yet deals with modern punctuation in a more normal way. Personally you can freely use them to great affect in your RSS reader or mail app that you read everyday. [1] https://fontsme.com/mebinac.font https://fontsme.com/mebinac.font

stevefolta 2y ago
I tried looking at code in Mebinac, and was surprised at how strongly it reminded me of old screenshots of Smalltalk.
dkga 2y ago
This font is beautiful, thanks for sharing.
AnthonBerg 2y ago
Thanks!, hadn’t come across Mebinac. It’s quite good! I’m also a big fan of Igino Marini’s recreation of the Fell typefaces: The Fell Types took their name from John Fell, a Bishop of Oxford in the seventeenth-century. Not only he created an unique collection of printing types but he started one of the most important adventures in the history of typography. — https://web.archive.org/web/20240128075552/https://iginomarini.com/fell/the-revival-fonts/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240128075552/https://iginomari... The IM Fell fonts themselves seem to live on Google Fonts these days: https://fonts.google.com/?query=Igino+Marini https://fonts.google.com/?query=Igino+Marini I use Doves Type for… everything. One day I started to find my monomaniacal obsession a bit funny and sort of to spite myself I set every font in Firefox to Doves Type. Serif, sans-serif, monospace, no other fonts allowed, as well as the UI font by tweaking the Firefox user profile iirc. And it was just… very good. And I kept using it. I use Doves Type for everything, and to be able to do that on my phone I use iFont: https://apps.apple.com/is/app/ifont-find-install-any-font/id1173222289 https://apps.apple.com/is/app/ifont-find-install-any-font/id... Or yeah I do use IBM PC VGA 9x16, IBM BIOS 8x8, and Eagle Spirit PC CGA Board Alternate 3 a little :) From the Ultimate Oldschool PC Font Pack: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/ https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/ I even munged together a combination of Doves Type Regular and IM Fell Great Primer Italic that matches the character scale and linespacing to both each other and to the IBM PC VGA 9x16 font at 1:1 size. The open-source FontForge did the trick!: https://fontforge.org/en-US/ https://fontforge.org/en-US/ (FontForge can autogenerate italics for any font. If you’re bored, I suggest loading up the classic VGA font and pressing the ITALICIZE button on ot. It’s… interesting!) In general, on Windows I much prefer MacType’s fomt rendering: https://www.mactype.net https://www.mactype.net … it’s kind of amazing that this kind of surgery is even possible.
- _emacsomancer_ 2y ago
  Curious what you did in FontForge to merge IM Fell Great Primer Italics into Doves Type Regular. (As I'd very much like to use Doves, e.g., for an e-reader font, but I do want to have italics for such purposes.) I made a native attempt in FontForge (just doing 'merge fonts'), which (unsurprisingly) didn't work.
  - AnthonBerg 2y ago
    It’s a bit of a blackout when I try to recall it, haha. I should figure it out and write it up. If it’s useful: As far as I can recall it involved simply changing the font family to match, i.e. “Dovesfell”, and then exporting the regular and the italic. The OS font system then figures out that they belong together. The scale is slightly different and the linespacing too. Did like a 90% rescale on one and 95% on the other? And then there was something to change in the Metrics window to make the linespacing identical.
- dovesseeker 2y ago
  I've become enamored of this typeface as well as of this morning, moved even if I'm honest, but I'm having trouble finding one that looks as nice as the bible page sample in the OP. I made this account here just to ask; which version have you been using, and where did you get it?
  - AnthonBerg 2y ago
    I bought it from Typespec :)
criddell 2y ago
When you are looking for a font, how can you know which grapheme clusters have glyphs? Is there some classification system for fonts that let you know how complete they are?
- eslaught 2y ago
  https://wakamaifondue.com/ https://wakamaifondue.com/
_emacsomancer_ 2y ago
A discussion of other digitisations: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705070449/http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-34361.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220705070449/http://luc.devroy...
marviel 2y ago
On "unauthorized" -- how would this not be public domain at this point?
- tasuki 2y ago
  Unauthorized doesn't mean it isn't in the public domain. It means there was no authorization.
  - marviel 2y ago
    Certainly -- I'm just not sure who would "authorize" it in the first place.
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Copyright doesn't apply to typefaces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protecti...
  - solardev 2y ago
    Interestingly, the font seems to be copyrighted because it's code...? So if you see someone's web font, can you print it out and then redigitize it into a font and bypass copyright that way...?
    - wizzwizz4 2y ago
      As I understand, yes: but that'll be inferior to the original, since it won't have ligatures or hinting or anything. It's a lot of work for not a lot of benefit.
  - ForOldHack 2y ago
    Copyright applies to the NAMES as trademarks, and the exact program used to reproduce them, but not to the shapes and designs, and yes, I made a lot of changes to that article to reflect current law.
- 2y ago

stevefolta 2y ago

I tried looking at code in Mebinac, and was surprised at how strongly it reminded me of old screenshots of Smalltalk.

dkga 2y ago

This font is beautiful, thanks for sharing.

AnthonBerg 2y ago

Thanks!, hadn’t come across Mebinac. It’s quite good! I’m also a big fan of Igino Marini’s recreation of the Fell typefaces: The Fell Types took their name from John Fell, a Bishop of Oxford in the seventeenth-century. Not only he created an unique collection of printing types but he started one of the most important adventures in the history of typography. — https://web.archive.org/web/20240128075552/https://iginomarini.com/fell/the-revival-fonts/ https://web.archive.org/web/20240128075552/https://iginomari... The IM Fell fonts themselves seem to live on Google Fonts these days: https://fonts.google.com/?query=Igino+Marini https://fonts.google.com/?query=Igino+Marini I use Doves Type for… everything. One day I started to find my monomaniacal obsession a bit funny and sort of to spite myself I set every font in Firefox to Doves Type. Serif, sans-serif, monospace, no other fonts allowed, as well as the UI font by tweaking the Firefox user profile iirc. And it was just… very good. And I kept using it. I use Doves Type for everything, and to be able to do that on my phone I use iFont: https://apps.apple.com/is/app/ifont-find-install-any-font/id1173222289 https://apps.apple.com/is/app/ifont-find-install-any-font/id... Or yeah I do use IBM PC VGA 9x16, IBM BIOS 8x8, and Eagle Spirit PC CGA Board Alternate 3 a little :) From the Ultimate Oldschool PC Font Pack: https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/ https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/ I even munged together a combination of Doves Type Regular and IM Fell Great Primer Italic that matches the character scale and linespacing to both each other and to the IBM PC VGA 9x16 font at 1:1 size. The open-source FontForge did the trick!: https://fontforge.org/en-US/ https://fontforge.org/en-US/ (FontForge can autogenerate italics for any font. If you’re bored, I suggest loading up the classic VGA font and pressing the ITALICIZE button on ot. It’s… interesting!) In general, on Windows I much prefer MacType’s fomt rendering: https://www.mactype.net https://www.mactype.net … it’s kind of amazing that this kind of surgery is even possible.

_emacsomancer_ 2y ago
Curious what you did in FontForge to merge IM Fell Great Primer Italics into Doves Type Regular. (As I'd very much like to use Doves, e.g., for an e-reader font, but I do want to have italics for such purposes.) I made a native attempt in FontForge (just doing 'merge fonts'), which (unsurprisingly) didn't work.
- AnthonBerg 2y ago
  It’s a bit of a blackout when I try to recall it, haha. I should figure it out and write it up. If it’s useful: As far as I can recall it involved simply changing the font family to match, i.e. “Dovesfell”, and then exporting the regular and the italic. The OS font system then figures out that they belong together. The scale is slightly different and the linespacing too. Did like a 90% rescale on one and 95% on the other? And then there was something to change in the Metrics window to make the linespacing identical.
dovesseeker 2y ago
I've become enamored of this typeface as well as of this morning, moved even if I'm honest, but I'm having trouble finding one that looks as nice as the bible page sample in the OP. I made this account here just to ask; which version have you been using, and where did you get it?
- AnthonBerg 2y ago
  I bought it from Typespec :)

criddell 2y ago

When you are looking for a font, how can you know which grapheme clusters have glyphs? Is there some classification system for fonts that let you know how complete they are?

eslaught 2y ago
https://wakamaifondue.com/ https://wakamaifondue.com/

_emacsomancer_ 2y ago

A discussion of other digitisations: https://web.archive.org/web/20220705070449/http://luc.devroye.org/fonts-34361.html https://web.archive.org/web/20220705070449/http://luc.devroy...

marviel 2y ago

On "unauthorized" -- how would this not be public domain at this point?

tasuki 2y ago
Unauthorized doesn't mean it isn't in the public domain. It means there was no authorization.
- marviel 2y ago
  Certainly -- I'm just not sure who would "authorize" it in the first place.
wizzwizz4 2y ago
Copyright doesn't apply to typefaces. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protection_of_typefaces https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property_protecti...
- solardev 2y ago
  Interestingly, the font seems to be copyrighted because it's code...? So if you see someone's web font, can you print it out and then redigitize it into a font and bypass copyright that way...?
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    As I understand, yes: but that'll be inferior to the original, since it won't have ligatures or hinting or anything. It's a lot of work for not a lot of benefit.
- ForOldHack 2y ago
  Copyright applies to the NAMES as trademarks, and the exact program used to reproduce them, but not to the shapes and designs, and yes, I made a lot of changes to that article to reflect current law.
2y ago