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Not that vast (in the US). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/1994-_Motor_vehicle_traffic_deaths_in_road_accidents%2C_by_country.svg https://u

by vhcr 2y ago

Not that vast (in the US). https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/1994-_Motor_vehicle_traffic_deaths_in_road_accidents%2C_by_country.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ef/1994-_Mo...

TylerE 2y ago
Are we looking at the same chart? Other than the recent peak due to loons during COVID, it shows a reduction of almost 50% in per-incident deaths between 1990 and 2010. See also this chart: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-and-rates/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatalit... Showing per capita deaths coming down from a car-boom peak of 27 in 1969 down to 11 by the 20-teens. Vastly, vastly, safer. That's not even getting into how things like energy absorbing bumpers have turned low speed collisions that might have results in injuries 50 or 60 years ago are now non-events. (probably no seat belts, certainly no shoulder belt, and the dash is full of chrome and zero padding)
- Mawr 2y ago
  > Are we looking at the same chart? Clearly not: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/road-users/pedestrians/data-details/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/road-users/pedestr...
  - TylerE 2y ago
    You understand that only the small blue bars represent pedestrian deaths, the figures are not per capita, and the US population grew by over a third in the covered time span, right? And again, prior to the covid years the numbers show a DECREASE from 1990 up until 2019. So, what was the point you were trying to make here exactly? Typical HN anti-car sentiment without hard grounding in facts.
    - Mawr 2y ago
      I just used your source. It's bizarre that they adjust the vehicle stats for population size but not the pedestrian ones. Regardless, here's a different source, search for "Pedestrian deaths per 100,000 people by age, 1975-2021": https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/pedestrians https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/pedes... The 2021 death rate is 2.2, that's the same as what it was in 1993. Looks like it's only gotten worse since then too: https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians24 https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians24 The point remains the same, vulnerable road user deaths are the more important statistic and it's not looking good whatsoever.

by vhcr 2y ago

TylerE 2y ago

Are we looking at the same chart? Other than the recent peak due to loons during COVID, it shows a reduction of almost 50% in per-incident deaths between 1990 and 2010. See also this chart: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatality-trends/deaths-and-rates/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/historical-fatalit... Showing per capita deaths coming down from a car-boom peak of 27 in 1969 down to 11 by the 20-teens. Vastly, vastly, safer. That's not even getting into how things like energy absorbing bumpers have turned low speed collisions that might have results in injuries 50 or 60 years ago are now non-events. (probably no seat belts, certainly no shoulder belt, and the dash is full of chrome and zero padding)

Mawr 2y ago
> Are we looking at the same chart? Clearly not: https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/road-users/pedestrians/data-details/ https://injuryfacts.nsc.org/motor-vehicle/road-users/pedestr...
- TylerE 2y ago
  You understand that only the small blue bars represent pedestrian deaths, the figures are not per capita, and the US population grew by over a third in the covered time span, right? And again, prior to the covid years the numbers show a DECREASE from 1990 up until 2019. So, what was the point you were trying to make here exactly? Typical HN anti-car sentiment without hard grounding in facts.
  - Mawr 2y ago
    I just used your source. It's bizarre that they adjust the vehicle stats for population size but not the pedestrian ones. Regardless, here's a different source, search for "Pedestrian deaths per 100,000 people by age, 1975-2021": https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/pedestrians https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/pedes... The 2021 death rate is 2.2, that's the same as what it was in 1993. Looks like it's only gotten worse since then too: https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians24 https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians24 The point remains the same, vulnerable road user deaths are the more important statistic and it's not looking good whatsoever.