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People you're calling assholes - did they get paid for the take home task? We're they instructed not to use llms? Have you confirmed they used them and didn't G

by rnewme 2y ago

People you're calling assholes - did they get paid for the take home task? We're they instructed not to use llms? Have you confirmed they used them and didn't Google the same things you googled? Was the homework not correct?

surfingdino 2y ago
They were not paid, but we spared them the stress of a timed online coding exercise which a lot of devs hate. We told them we expect short snippets of code to illustrate the answers to six questions which progressed from the obvious (if you code in the language for a few years) to more of "there are many was to do it, here is mine" to judge their ability to turn requirements into code. You could do the whole thing in half an hour. It was fair.
- Clubber 2y ago
  We're really struggling to find good people. We do it the old fashioned way, just a one hour 4 dev interview. We don't ask really tough questions or anything. An example is, "can you describe normalization and what it's for?" I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. The good developers we have we got from knowing them in previous jobs, etc. You might wanna hit up your current team to find better devs. You should probably pay your team a finder's fee if you hire from that. Also, if you are paying what you paid before covid, it's probably too low today. Times are tough for building good teams right now. You need to adapt. The same ole "call a recruiter and get 1 good guy out of 10," isn't a thing anymore. You might wanna pay 10-20% over market and see if that works. To justify that, just calculate what you are paying to not find good people now.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    > I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. This is what it looks like where I work, too. There's been a huge decline in the quality of applicants over the past few years. I think the percentage of applicants that could be called "competent" has fallen to below 20%.
  - surfingdino 2y ago
    Speaking of pay, rates for contractors in the UK went backwards. The top end evaporated despite the rise in cost of living, taxes, and inflation. Businesses are expecting to find good devs for half the rates they were paying in 2019. This is not sustainable, you cannot buy talent for that money so experienced devs are leaving the industry and the cheap devs are just no good. I see signs of businesses dealing with this problem by building smaller teams and paying them 2019 rates, we'll see how it works.

by rnewme 2y ago

surfingdino 2y ago

They were not paid, but we spared them the stress of a timed online coding exercise which a lot of devs hate. We told them we expect short snippets of code to illustrate the answers to six questions which progressed from the obvious (if you code in the language for a few years) to more of "there are many was to do it, here is mine" to judge their ability to turn requirements into code. You could do the whole thing in half an hour. It was fair.

Clubber 2y ago
We're really struggling to find good people. We do it the old fashioned way, just a one hour 4 dev interview. We don't ask really tough questions or anything. An example is, "can you describe normalization and what it's for?" I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. The good developers we have we got from knowing them in previous jobs, etc. You might wanna hit up your current team to find better devs. You should probably pay your team a finder's fee if you hire from that. Also, if you are paying what you paid before covid, it's probably too low today. Times are tough for building good teams right now. You need to adapt. The same ole "call a recruiter and get 1 good guy out of 10," isn't a thing anymore. You might wanna pay 10-20% over market and see if that works. To justify that, just calculate what you are paying to not find good people now.
- JohnFen 2y ago
  > I think the market is just supersaturated with bads right now and all the bads are the ones applying. This is what it looks like where I work, too. There's been a huge decline in the quality of applicants over the past few years. I think the percentage of applicants that could be called "competent" has fallen to below 20%.
- surfingdino 2y ago
  Speaking of pay, rates for contractors in the UK went backwards. The top end evaporated despite the rise in cost of living, taxes, and inflation. Businesses are expecting to find good devs for half the rates they were paying in 2019. This is not sustainable, you cannot buy talent for that money so experienced devs are leaving the industry and the cheap devs are just no good. I see signs of businesses dealing with this problem by building smaller teams and paying them 2019 rates, we'll see how it works.