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Like anything coming from Gaza I have some doubts about how legit this data is. This list has 96 total in Gaza since the beginning of the war. So not 170. Man
by YZF 2y ago
Like anything coming from Gaza I have some doubts about how legit this data is.
This list has 96 total in Gaza since the beginning of the war. So not 170.
Many of the names use this reference:
"97 journalists and media workers were confirmed dead: 92 Palestinian, 2 Israeli, and 3 Lebanese."
https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/ https://cpj.org/2024/05/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-...
Is media worker always a journalist? The list seems in disagreement with the other list. Also if you work for Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad are you a journalist? Where does that line pass? Are IDF media people journalists or are they soldiers? Either way, even by the most generous interpretation not everyone on that list is a journalist. e.g. a "a sound engineer working for the Gaza’s Hamas government owned Al-Rai radio and freelancing for other local radio stations" is not a journalist.
I would trust the list a lot more if there was a reference to their work. Are they published journalists? The list says nothing about what media they worked for. Random e.g. on the list uses Al Jazeera as a reference:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/8/israel-war-on-gaza-world-must-look-says-wael-dahdouh-as-son-killed?update=2604870 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/1/8/israel-war-...
"Gaza’s Government Media Office has confirmed the deaths of two more Palestinian journalists – Abdullah Baris and Muhammad Abu Dayer"
A journalist should mean "a person who writes for newspapers, magazines, or news websites or prepares news to be broadcast.", is there a list that includes what newpapers, magazines, or news websites those people worked for?
I drilled down the wikidata reference link from the article. Some of the people have some references to them being journalists. Others don't.
EDIT: Btw the list of clarifications in the bottom of the CPJ source is also interesting.
"CPJ has removed two Israeli journalists, Shai Regev and Ayelet Arnin, from this list after their outlets confirmed that the journalists were not on assignment to cover the music festival, nor did they have any opportunity to begin reporting on the attack by Hamas militants that killed them on October 7. CPJ’s global database of killed journalists includes only those who have been killed in connection with their work or where there is still some doubt that their death was work-related."
I don't see any evidence that the Gazans reported killed were killed in connection with their work.
"After receiving reports that Palestinian journalist and presenter Alaa Taher Al-Hassanat may have survived the attack thought to have killed her, CPJ has removed her name from its casualties list pending further investigation." - so people are sometimes reported killed but aren't.
"CPJ has removed a Palestinan man, Mohamed Khaireddine, from this list. Khaireddine was previously identified as a journalist, but his family later clarified that he was neither a journalist nor a media support worker." - so we have people reported as journalists by someone ... but aren't.
also: "The list below is CPJ’s most recent and preliminary account of journalist deaths in the war. Our database will not include all of these casualties until we have completed further investigations into the circumstances surrounding them."
EDIT2: This is a more in-depth analysis of the specific journalists and their affiliations from the Israeli side: https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/app/uploads/2024/02/E_013_24.pdf https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/app/uploads/2024/02/E_013_...
- loceng 2y agoAre we all of a sudden still blindly trusting Wikipedia as a trustworthy-authoritative source because it's structured information? Here's an example of how the IDF treats people who are clearly journalists: Arguably behaviour of a Gestapo, no? The "wolves in clothing" aspect of this is quite the mind fuck once enough puzzle pieces come together and you realize what's realy going on; and where it makes sense that such deceit as a strategy, long-time, long-running, and long-form propaganda as a psychological manipulation strategy is the only way you can get to this stage of fascism that we're seeing with this current Israeli government. Re: Interview with a journalist - https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6MFu5MNUoX/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6MFu5MNUoX/ Repeat behaviour, a pattern by Israel/IDF reminds me of this quotes that general go something like this: it's never the well-intentioned who want-demand censorship. Conclusions, We actually have the opportunity this time to stop this fascist regime in its tracks before 10s to 100s of millions of people die. Unlike during NaZi Germany anyone who spoke up could quickly be visited by Gestapo, first reported on by 60%+ of their neighbours, and so were easily found. Today with the internet that is still free enough - where information and evidence can rapidly be studied and curated before distribution - where there are simply too many people already who starting from the comfort of their own homes are able to see and share the truth, or at least present a different perspective - and ideally engage in long-form conversations and see if the person they're engaged with is intellectually honest or not, able to learn and incorporate new information when cognitive dissonance is triggered; there is still suppression going on as part of the "war"-control effort - an attempt to keep specific channels of indoctrinated ideologues kept in bubbles and "ideally" unexposed to questions and thought exercises that would start them down a line of thinking to shatter the veil of the propagandists. BONUS: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C48GSaOuT5u/ https://www.instagram.com/reel/C48GSaOuT5u/ - A short interview clip where it's mentioned that the Gaza bureau Chief of Al Jazeera - his wife, son, and daughter were killed in a strike; was it targeting the journalists' home and that's why it happened, or it was from their indiscriminante bombing of Gaza; which by the way, they're likely killing all of the hostages, too, right? - So people who support these bombardments are also supporting killing their own citizens - "kill Hamas at all costs" seems to include murdering people that could have been you.
- YZF 2y ago