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> Outdated, how? Based on rare encounters with data processors outside of EU. They sell their products to me based on the knowledge that is at least 10 years o

> Outdated, how? Based on rare encounters with data processors outside of EU. They sell their products to me based on the knowledge that is at least 10 years old (and they use some old contacts for it). > I just gave an example Irrelevant. I‘m talking only about my experience, because I‘m actively exercising my rights under GDPR and similar privacy laws. > GDPR hasn't stopped companies from collecting the data GDPR made it illegal to collect it without unambiguous consent. If you want privacy, you can get it. As I can see from the inside sources, every big business in EU cares about compliance. Startups usually take a risk-based approach, but they don’t dare to sell the data and mostly compromise on security until they get bigger. Overall, here it is much safer and saner environment, if you don’t consent to marketing stuff. All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up.

rglullis 2y ago
> All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up. Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it". Now this here is a much weaker version of the argument, because it means "data tracking can be avoided if you are always vigilant and practice good Internet hygiene". You might believe that you are protected, but what I am saying is that even those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not.
- ivan_gammel 2y ago
  >Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it" It was not. It is false generalization of my words. >those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not We all leave pretty big footprint both online and offline, very often through a consented and legitimate process. It is a simple matter of data hygiene to make most of that footprint just useless pile of bits if you control the narrative and spread of information is constrained. Who cares if one of my phone numbers landed in a public database because I registered a company many years ago? I wrote a lot on this forum — do you think you can build a precise portrait of me with this, that or some other data? Do you really believe one can use it against me in a way I would not expect? A while ago I was working on a data mining project for some Western government, an information warfare they used to shape public opinion globally. I know quite well what data can be extracted, especially with modern technology. Without privacy laws there exists asymmetry between data industry and individuals, but the balance is shifting to the point, where you can actually manage what others know about you.

rglullis 2y ago

> All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up. Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it". Now this here is a much weaker version of the argument, because it means "data tracking can be avoided if you are always vigilant and practice good Internet hygiene". You might believe that you are protected, but what I am saying is that even those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not.

ivan_gammel 2y ago
>Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it" It was not. It is false generalization of my words. >those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not We all leave pretty big footprint both online and offline, very often through a consented and legitimate process. It is a simple matter of data hygiene to make most of that footprint just useless pile of bits if you control the narrative and spread of information is constrained. Who cares if one of my phone numbers landed in a public database because I registered a company many years ago? I wrote a lot on this forum — do you think you can build a precise portrait of me with this, that or some other data? Do you really believe one can use it against me in a way I would not expect? A while ago I was working on a data mining project for some Western government, an information warfare they used to shape public opinion globally. I know quite well what data can be extracted, especially with modern technology. Without privacy laws there exists asymmetry between data industry and individuals, but the balance is shifting to the point, where you can actually manage what others know about you.