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Where did I read the hostage deal fell apart because Hamas refused to abide by the terms? It was all over the news when it happened. It started with delays: h

Where did I read the hostage deal fell apart because Hamas refused to abide by the terms? It was all over the news when it happened. It started with delays: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67531477 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67531477 Then, refusal (with "between the lines" that Hamas wasn't in control of the hostages, and it was more that Hamas "leaders" weren't actually in control of the hostages than a case of refusing a deal) https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/talks-to-release-hostages-held-up-over-hamas-demand-for-fuel-fcc29267 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/talks-to-release-hosta... https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/hostage-negotiations-stall-hamas-demand-fuel-deliveries-gaza-rcna122707 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/hostage-negotiat... I don't understand how you can say these things. "Hamas then (in response to hostage negotiations) launched rocket attacks onto Israel ... Netanyahu has been staunchly opposed to any more ceasefire and hostage negotiations" I mean you're not reasonable. Hamas, quite literally, blew up negotiations, again and again and again and again. They killed, massacred, exploded, destroyed, WHATEVER they could, every attempt at negotiations since the month they were created, almost 5 decades back. Blowing up negotiations with massacres is literally the reason they exist, initially the Oslo accords. Which means I will need A LOT of VERY DIRECT AND CLEAR evidence before I will even consider it was the Israeli side that ended negotiations.

runarberg 2y ago
Israel were equally delayed in releasing their prisoners as well. And skirmishes happens on both sides of the table. And despite all that, the terms of the ceasefire—at least as related to the hostages—were met, and thensom, on both sides, and despite all this, they still extended the ceasefire a couple of times. Meaning that neither the delays, nor the skirmishes were the reason they failed to extend it the third time. Nowhere in your sources does it say Hamas nor Israel failed to deliver on promise, only that it was taking slower then expected. Your BBC article even cites the reason given by Hamas was slowness in delivering aid (we now know this is true). In fact all of your sources were published prior to the failure to extend the truce, which happened on December 1st. So I still don’t see where you read that the reason for the failure to extend were non-delivering on promises by Hamas. The truth is, it may very well be the fault of Hamas that the deal wasn’t extended. But we will not know that until Qatar releases documents which explains what really took place at the negotiating table on December 1st. Until then we are just speculating, and given what we know, it is equally likely that both parties are equally to blame.
- candiodari 2y ago
  The sources say the deal fell apart when Hamas suddenly refused to deliver the number of hostages they said they'd deliver.
  - runarberg 2y ago
    Either the sources are wrong, or—more likely—they don’t exist. I find it suspicious that you can’t seem to provide me with any. Wikipedia has a different story, and provides plenty of sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceas...

runarberg 2y ago

Israel were equally delayed in releasing their prisoners as well. And skirmishes happens on both sides of the table. And despite all that, the terms of the ceasefire—at least as related to the hostages—were met, and thensom, on both sides, and despite all this, they still extended the ceasefire a couple of times. Meaning that neither the delays, nor the skirmishes were the reason they failed to extend it the third time. Nowhere in your sources does it say Hamas nor Israel failed to deliver on promise, only that it was taking slower then expected. Your BBC article even cites the reason given by Hamas was slowness in delivering aid (we now know this is true). In fact all of your sources were published prior to the failure to extend the truce, which happened on December 1st. So I still don’t see where you read that the reason for the failure to extend were non-delivering on promises by Hamas. The truth is, it may very well be the fault of Hamas that the deal wasn’t extended. But we will not know that until Qatar releases documents which explains what really took place at the negotiating table on December 1st. Until then we are just speculating, and given what we know, it is equally likely that both parties are equally to blame.

candiodari 2y ago
The sources say the deal fell apart when Hamas suddenly refused to deliver the number of hostages they said they'd deliver.
- runarberg 2y ago
  Either the sources are wrong, or—more likely—they don’t exist. I find it suspicious that you can’t seem to provide me with any. Wikipedia has a different story, and provides plenty of sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceasefire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_ceas...