That's what struck me as well. It's extremely important for such positions to be clear and open about their position and not masking their reality. You'll often

That's what struck me as well. It's extremely important for such positions to be clear and open about their position and not masking their reality. You'll often find marketing speak internally between levels which masks truth and then hinders actual strategic moves. In this context CTO would've said they're not that far off, if only this and that.. but no, he fessed up and CEO also understood; raw awareness.