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This belief right here is why the USA continues to play world cop (which is actually a colonization effort dressed up for the modern age). Why USA? Because it

This belief right here is why the USA continues to play world cop (which is actually a colonization effort dressed up for the modern age). Why USA? Because it is the new empire and the new of the anglosphere.

resource_waste 2y ago
Please, the United States has a universal history of promoting freedom, democracy, and human rights far better than autocracies. They literally fended off communism and stalinism. Its really easy to make grand claims when you are Iceland.
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  Just because you drink deep of the Kool Aid doesn't mean the world matches the visions you have as a result. The first statement is so vague as to be meaningless. What does it mean to promote freedom and democracy? How many milliDems are contained in each bomb you drop on Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza? Fended off Communism? Last I checked, China was a superpower, and the fact that the western media are heating up their hysterics means they are doing quite well. Stalinism was fended off by Stalin kicking the bucket. For most of his life he was a US ally.
  - testrun 2y ago
    >>Stalin was a US ally<< Oh boy.
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      My "man", next you'll tell me the USA won WW2 all by its lonesome, won't you?
  - resource_waste 2y ago
    > How many milliDems are contained in each bomb you drop on Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza? Yes exactly. Without the US involvement, instead of getting democracies, you get ethnic squabbles or regional powers involved. You are just new to the anarchic nature of state-level politics. These conflicts are inevitable, its up to the United States to tilt them in the direction of human rights. Historically its true. (And its not like the morally poor side in Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza has the moral high ground when the US gets involved. ) Anyway, really cool hipster take that Europe and their 1000 year old ethnic rivalries would have navigated any of these better. Maybe for their own realpolitk self interest. How is that more moral than democracies?
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      And that pure US hubris right there is the reason for your reputation around the world. You should travel more. These people you are "helping" hate. Your. Guts. But you might just remain convinced that you are just better because murica.
      - consumer451 2y ago
        I’m a huge critic of many US foreign policies. However, I cannot deny the realities of a postwar Pax Americana.
        riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Hey, victors just always happen to be the good guys. It's an amazing coincidence.
        consumer451 2y ago
        Sometimes having the ability to hold two conflicting ideas in one’s mind at the same moment is advantageous.
nozzlegear 2y ago
> which is actually a colonization effort dressed up for the modern age Which colonies have been established by the US? Are you talking about the military bases in foreign countries?
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  The countries where the US installs a puppet government. Karzai in Afghanistan. Sandu in Romania. Pashinyan in Armenia.
  - nozzlegear 2y ago
    That’s a curious definition of a colony. Since I’m an American, I assume I could go live in these American colonies quite easily?
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      That's not the definition of a colony at all. UK citizens still need to go through immigration to live in Canada, even though the official head of state there is King Charles III.
      - nozzlegear 2y ago
        Perhaps we have different definitions of colonies then, because I think the answer there is obvious: Canada isn't a colony of the UK any longer and hasn't been since 1931 or 1982 depending on which event you want to use. Just like Afghanistan, Armenia and Romania aren't colonies of the US, even if we've set up puppet governments [1] in those countries. There's a great deal you can rightly criticize about US foreign policy post-WW2, but calling us modern colonizers doesn't fit. [1] I don't know enough about the events you're referencing in Armenia and Romania, but Afghanistan was war. Of course we were going to set up a government that was friendly to the US.

resource_waste 2y ago

Please, the United States has a universal history of promoting freedom, democracy, and human rights far better than autocracies. They literally fended off communism and stalinism. Its really easy to make grand claims when you are Iceland.

riehwvfbk 2y ago
Just because you drink deep of the Kool Aid doesn't mean the world matches the visions you have as a result. The first statement is so vague as to be meaningless. What does it mean to promote freedom and democracy? How many milliDems are contained in each bomb you drop on Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza? Fended off Communism? Last I checked, China was a superpower, and the fact that the western media are heating up their hysterics means they are doing quite well. Stalinism was fended off by Stalin kicking the bucket. For most of his life he was a US ally.
- testrun 2y ago
  >>Stalin was a US ally<< Oh boy.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    My "man", next you'll tell me the USA won WW2 all by its lonesome, won't you?
- resource_waste 2y ago
  > How many milliDems are contained in each bomb you drop on Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza? Yes exactly. Without the US involvement, instead of getting democracies, you get ethnic squabbles or regional powers involved. You are just new to the anarchic nature of state-level politics. These conflicts are inevitable, its up to the United States to tilt them in the direction of human rights. Historically its true. (And its not like the morally poor side in Serbia, Iraq, or Gaza has the moral high ground when the US gets involved. ) Anyway, really cool hipster take that Europe and their 1000 year old ethnic rivalries would have navigated any of these better. Maybe for their own realpolitk self interest. How is that more moral than democracies?
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    And that pure US hubris right there is the reason for your reputation around the world. You should travel more. These people you are "helping" hate. Your. Guts. But you might just remain convinced that you are just better because murica.
    - consumer451 2y ago
      I’m a huge critic of many US foreign policies. However, I cannot deny the realities of a postwar Pax Americana.
      - riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Hey, victors just always happen to be the good guys. It's an amazing coincidence.
        consumer451 2y ago
        Sometimes having the ability to hold two conflicting ideas in one’s mind at the same moment is advantageous.

nozzlegear 2y ago

> which is actually a colonization effort dressed up for the modern age Which colonies have been established by the US? Are you talking about the military bases in foreign countries?

matheusmoreira 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism
riehwvfbk 2y ago
The countries where the US installs a puppet government. Karzai in Afghanistan. Sandu in Romania. Pashinyan in Armenia.
- nozzlegear 2y ago
  That’s a curious definition of a colony. Since I’m an American, I assume I could go live in these American colonies quite easily?
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    That's not the definition of a colony at all. UK citizens still need to go through immigration to live in Canada, even though the official head of state there is King Charles III.
    - nozzlegear 2y ago
      Perhaps we have different definitions of colonies then, because I think the answer there is obvious: Canada isn't a colony of the UK any longer and hasn't been since 1931 or 1982 depending on which event you want to use. Just like Afghanistan, Armenia and Romania aren't colonies of the US, even if we've set up puppet governments [1] in those countries. There's a great deal you can rightly criticize about US foreign policy post-WW2, but calling us modern colonizers doesn't fit. [1] I don't know enough about the events you're referencing in Armenia and Romania, but Afghanistan was war. Of course we were going to set up a government that was friendly to the US.