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> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas.

> In the case of Israel, the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas. > > It's even banned in some Arab countries for being a security risk. > > Why would you allow that to continue in your country? Especially when you have, in your country, about 20% of muslim arabs, most of which being israelo-palestinians (i.e. palestinians with an israeli passport). The last thing they'd want, in addition to fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah, would be an uprising of the israelo-palestinians who live in Israel. It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that. The number of publication and jewish newspaper offices in both Gaza and Iran should also be food for thought.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> last thing they'd want, in addition to fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah, would be an uprising of the israelo-palestinians who live in Israel You're talking about Israeli citizens. The way you keep them from uprising is by giving them political power. (I also see no evidence any uprising is imminent.)
- xenospn 2y ago
  They have a lot of potential political power. They refuse to use it.
  - IX-103 2y ago
    "Refuse to use it" like African Americans in the Jim Crow south? Or is there some other context driving their non-participation?
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > is there some other context driving their non-participation? Muslim Israelis have representation in the Knesset. Their community simply hasn’t aligned itself with the American pro-Palestinian movement. (There are absolutely racism issues in Israel. But it’s not Jim Crow.)
    - xenospn 2y ago
      Huh? They simply refuse to vote. They could have considerable power to transform Israeli politics if they did.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > refuse to use it Or they’re a diverse set of people whose views can’t be summarised based on their race and religion alone. I doubt, for example, many of them are in favour of a one-state solution.
    - xenospn 2y ago
      How is that relevant? There’s multiple Arab parties in Israeli politics. None of them wield any serious power because the people with the diverse set of views they attempt to represent don’t vote.
    - edanm 2y ago
      Actually, as far as I understand it, most have historically preferred not to engage with the Israeli political system for ideological reasons. This is changing somewhat over the last few years. Though I'm not a member of that group, so I don't want to misrepresent "their" views (and of course there is no such thing as "their" views, as you mentioned, they are a large and fairly diverse group). > I doubt, for example, many of them are in favour of a one-state solution. Why do you say that?
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Why do you say that? Israel is rich. Palestine is poor. It would be on par with a German or Korean reünification in terms of cost. Also, Israel has a relatively-liberal voting population. Palestine does not. One could have reasonable concerns around losing valued freedoms if a single Palestinian state drifts towards regional norms.
        xenospn 2y ago
        Israeli Arabs know they have it much better in Israel than anywhere else in the region. They historically have been highly opposed to proposed land-swaps/unification deals with the PA.
        edanm 2y ago
        Again, I'm not a Palestinian-Israeli. I'm sure some share that attitude, but considering that many have families that are "on the other side of the border", I think there's quite a few that do want one unified country with everyone having voting rights. It's been argued for quite eloquently by several very prominent Palestinian voices, too (not necessarily Palestinian-Israeli voices).
edanm 2y ago
Note: The correct word is "Israeli", not "Israelo". > It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that. Actually, while there are ~zero Jewish people in almost all Arab countries, Iran specifically has an actual Jewish population, though a very small one - I think the current estimate is around 8,000.
kingofpandora 2y ago
> It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that. Not only are there Jews in Iran, they even have a seat permanently reserved in the Iranian parliament.
- boxed 2y ago
  From 100 000 before the islamic revolution to 8 000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews The ethnic cleansing isn't totally complete, but it's quite close. It's nice that the Ayatolla made a fatwa to protect them though. But if I were Jewish in Iran I would expect that protection to fall the second the Ayatolla dies.
  - alumnisfu 2y ago
    I just knew someone would reply with a comment like this but foolishly I decided not to get ahead of it. Sure, there used to be more. Sure, there are obviously better places to be as a Jew. But ... I replied to the comment that said "there are no Jews in Iran" . There are Jews living in Iran. That's it.
    - loeg 2y ago
      Is kingofpandora also your account?
    - boxed 2y ago
      I bet there are hidden jews living in other muslim countries too. But that's not really the point. The point is the fear, intimidation, and murders.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> last thing they'd want, in addition to fighting both Hamas and Hezbollah, would be an uprising of the israelo-palestinians who live in Israel You're talking about Israeli citizens. The way you keep them from uprising is by giving them political power. (I also see no evidence any uprising is imminent.)

xenospn 2y ago
They have a lot of potential political power. They refuse to use it.
- IX-103 2y ago
  "Refuse to use it" like African Americans in the Jim Crow south? Or is there some other context driving their non-participation?
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > is there some other context driving their non-participation? Muslim Israelis have representation in the Knesset. Their community simply hasn’t aligned itself with the American pro-Palestinian movement. (There are absolutely racism issues in Israel. But it’s not Jim Crow.)
  - xenospn 2y ago
    Huh? They simply refuse to vote. They could have considerable power to transform Israeli politics if they did.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > refuse to use it Or they’re a diverse set of people whose views can’t be summarised based on their race and religion alone. I doubt, for example, many of them are in favour of a one-state solution.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    How is that relevant? There’s multiple Arab parties in Israeli politics. None of them wield any serious power because the people with the diverse set of views they attempt to represent don’t vote.
  - edanm 2y ago
    Actually, as far as I understand it, most have historically preferred not to engage with the Israeli political system for ideological reasons. This is changing somewhat over the last few years. Though I'm not a member of that group, so I don't want to misrepresent "their" views (and of course there is no such thing as "their" views, as you mentioned, they are a large and fairly diverse group). > I doubt, for example, many of them are in favour of a one-state solution. Why do you say that?
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Why do you say that? Israel is rich. Palestine is poor. It would be on par with a German or Korean reünification in terms of cost. Also, Israel has a relatively-liberal voting population. Palestine does not. One could have reasonable concerns around losing valued freedoms if a single Palestinian state drifts towards regional norms.
      - xenospn 2y ago
        Israeli Arabs know they have it much better in Israel than anywhere else in the region. They historically have been highly opposed to proposed land-swaps/unification deals with the PA.
      - edanm 2y ago
        Again, I'm not a Palestinian-Israeli. I'm sure some share that attitude, but considering that many have families that are "on the other side of the border", I think there's quite a few that do want one unified country with everyone having voting rights. It's been argued for quite eloquently by several very prominent Palestinian voices, too (not necessarily Palestinian-Israeli voices).

edanm 2y ago

Note: The correct word is "Israeli", not "Israelo". > It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that. Actually, while there are ~zero Jewish people in almost all Arab countries, Iran specifically has an actual Jewish population, though a very small one - I think the current estimate is around 8,000.

kingofpandora 2y ago

> It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero jewish person in Iran. Or close to that. Not only are there Jews in Iran, they even have a seat permanently reserved in the Iranian parliament.

boxed 2y ago
From 100 000 before the islamic revolution to 8 000 today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Jews The ethnic cleansing isn't totally complete, but it's quite close. It's nice that the Ayatolla made a fatwa to protect them though. But if I were Jewish in Iran I would expect that protection to fall the second the Ayatolla dies.
- alumnisfu 2y ago
  I just knew someone would reply with a comment like this but foolishly I decided not to get ahead of it. Sure, there used to be more. Sure, there are obviously better places to be as a Jew. But ... I replied to the comment that said "there are no Jews in Iran" . There are Jews living in Iran. That's it.
  - loeg 2y ago
    Is kingofpandora also your account?
  - boxed 2y ago
    I bet there are hidden jews living in other muslim countries too. But that's not really the point. The point is the fear, intimidation, and murders.