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Is this true? I do not think journalists are just allowed to the front lines of any war. The entire Gaza strip seems like one giant front line. There needs to b

Is this true? I do not think journalists are just allowed to the front lines of any war. The entire Gaza strip seems like one giant front line. There needs to be more journalists reporting but I think just allowing anyone to walk anywhere because they've got 'press' on their jacket is probably just going to end up with dead journalists considering journalists will want to be were the fighting is and will gravitate towards danger.

SauciestGNU 2y ago
IDF also kills journalists for sport (Shireen Abu-Akleh comes to mind).
- flumpcakes 2y ago
  That seems very reductive to just say that as if it is a fact. 90% of the claims I've seen about the IDF end up being just nonsense. I did pay very close attention to what happened with Shireen Abu-Akleh and I think that was definitely not dealt with in a satisfactory way.
  - so_delphi 2y ago
    "not dealt with in a satisfactory way" is exactly the justification that IDF has used after many similar circumstances. Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions.
    - arp242 2y ago
      > Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions. I think that's a fair statement, but also a far cry from "killing journalists for sport". These kind of exaggerated claims aren't helpful.
      - ictebres 2y ago
        > According to Reporters Without Borders' tally, at least 105 [journalists] have so far [since October 7th] been killed by Israeli airstrikes, rockets and gunfire, including at least 22 in the course of their work. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/more-100-journalists-killed-six-months-gaza-where-international-community-enar#:~:text=According%20to%20RSF's%20tally%2C%20at,the%20course%20of%20their%20work https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/....
        arp242 2y ago
        Were they killed "for sport" (implying deliberate targetting)? With almost 35,000 dead, 105 journalists is about 0.3% of that. Seems about right as "normal" casualties.
        justin66 2y ago
        "We didn't target them because they were journalists. We thought we were shooting at regular unarmed civilians."
        arp242 2y ago
        Look, I have a lot of criticism about not just this war, but how the Palestinian people have been treated over the last 60 years. But you can't just say things like "they're targetting journalists for sport" and then pivot to this type of stuff when pressed.
        selimthegrim 2y ago
        Why was her funeral disrupted to the point of tossing the coffin about?
        DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
        For those who aren't familiar with this, after the IDF shot American-Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh to death, Israeli security forces attacked her funeral procession. There's a video of Israeli soldiers physically beating the pall bearers, and the coffin nearly falling to the ground.[0] 0. https://youtu.be/y11CVGz7toM?si=ME1qQTQR3FVA0bz_ https://youtu.be/y11CVGz7toM?si=ME1qQTQR3FVA0bz_
    - YZF 2y ago
      We should also keep in mind the Palestinians refused to allow the IDF to conduct its own forensic investigation. That's partly why the was no definite conclusion from the investigation into the matter. You can't demand that Israel investigate and then not enable it to do so. "The US State Department subsequently announced on July 4 that tests by independent ballistics experts under U.S. oversight were not conclusive about the gun it was fired from but that US officials have concluded that gunfire from Israeli positions most likely killed Akleh and that there was "no reason to believe" her shooting was intentional. US investigators had "full access"[138] to both IDF and PA investigations.[139][140][141] The Palestinian Public Prosecutor's Office disputes the US conclusion that the bullet cannot be matched to a gun and maintains its position that the killing was premeditated.[142] On July 5, the US stressed that it did not conduct its own probe, but the conclusion was a "summation" of investigations by the Palestinian Authority and Israel.[143]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Subsequent_investigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Subsequent_i...
  - Jochim 2y ago
    Funny how often that seems to happen with the IDF.
Maxious 2y ago
War correspondents have been around since at least the French revolution. Article 79 of Additional Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions provides for protection of war correspondents to the level of civilians.
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SauciestGNU 2y ago

IDF also kills journalists for sport (Shireen Abu-Akleh comes to mind).

flumpcakes 2y ago
That seems very reductive to just say that as if it is a fact. 90% of the claims I've seen about the IDF end up being just nonsense. I did pay very close attention to what happened with Shireen Abu-Akleh and I think that was definitely not dealt with in a satisfactory way.
- so_delphi 2y ago
  "not dealt with in a satisfactory way" is exactly the justification that IDF has used after many similar circumstances. Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions.
  - arp242 2y ago
    > Let's say they just don't care, since there are no repercussions. I think that's a fair statement, but also a far cry from "killing journalists for sport". These kind of exaggerated claims aren't helpful.
    - ictebres 2y ago
      > According to Reporters Without Borders' tally, at least 105 [journalists] have so far [since October 7th] been killed by Israeli airstrikes, rockets and gunfire, including at least 22 in the course of their work. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/more-100-journalists-killed-six-months-gaza-where-international-community-enar#:~:text=According%20to%20RSF's%20tally%2C%20at,the%20course%20of%20their%20work https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/....
      - arp242 2y ago
        Were they killed "for sport" (implying deliberate targetting)? With almost 35,000 dead, 105 journalists is about 0.3% of that. Seems about right as "normal" casualties.
        justin66 2y ago
        "We didn't target them because they were journalists. We thought we were shooting at regular unarmed civilians."
        arp242 2y ago
        Look, I have a lot of criticism about not just this war, but how the Palestinian people have been treated over the last 60 years. But you can't just say things like "they're targetting journalists for sport" and then pivot to this type of stuff when pressed.
        selimthegrim 2y ago
        Why was her funeral disrupted to the point of tossing the coffin about?
        DiogenesKynikos 2y ago
        For those who aren't familiar with this, after the IDF shot American-Palestinian journalist Shireen Abu Akleh to death, Israeli security forces attacked her funeral procession. There's a video of Israeli soldiers physically beating the pall bearers, and the coffin nearly falling to the ground.[0] 0. https://youtu.be/y11CVGz7toM?si=ME1qQTQR3FVA0bz_ https://youtu.be/y11CVGz7toM?si=ME1qQTQR3FVA0bz_
  - YZF 2y ago
    We should also keep in mind the Palestinians refused to allow the IDF to conduct its own forensic investigation. That's partly why the was no definite conclusion from the investigation into the matter. You can't demand that Israel investigate and then not enable it to do so. "The US State Department subsequently announced on July 4 that tests by independent ballistics experts under U.S. oversight were not conclusive about the gun it was fired from but that US officials have concluded that gunfire from Israeli positions most likely killed Akleh and that there was "no reason to believe" her shooting was intentional. US investigators had "full access"[138] to both IDF and PA investigations.[139][140][141] The Palestinian Public Prosecutor's Office disputes the US conclusion that the bullet cannot be matched to a gun and maintains its position that the killing was premeditated.[142] On July 5, the US stressed that it did not conduct its own probe, but the conclusion was a "summation" of investigations by the Palestinian Authority and Israel.[143]" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Subsequent_investigations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shireen_Abu_Akleh#Subsequent_i...
- Jochim 2y ago
  Funny how often that seems to happen with the IDF.

Maxious 2y ago

War correspondents have been around since at least the French revolution. Article 79 of Additional Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions provides for protection of war correspondents to the level of civilians.

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