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Can you point to some articles in Aljazeera Arabic that is doing what you're accusing?

by Ahmd72 2y ago

cscurmudgeon 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Arabic#Controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Arabic#Controversie...
- Ahmd72 2y ago
  I'm not really sure pulling out a controversies tab from wikipedia is making the point that OP is trying to make. It's like citing BBC for their controversies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    And? Not a great counter point though. BBC is known to have issues with factuality. https://deadline.com/2023/10/bbc-wrong-to-speculate-on-gaza-hospital-blast-1235577943/ https://deadline.com/2023/10/bbc-wrong-to-speculate-on-gaza-... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/21/bbc-reporter-nigel-farage-coutts-account-closed-no-apology/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/21/bbc-reporter-nig... But to address your point: https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons "
    - samuria 2y ago
      >the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas I am failing to see how an article about Russia's war correlates to OP's claim about Al Jazeera showing Hamas videos calling for an uprising. Can we get a direct link to the article that the OP mentioned?
    - zarzavat 2y ago
      Every single news outlet is known to have issues with factuality. Reporting the news is expensive and the people paying for it almost always want their point of view to be taken into consideration, regardless of state or private funding. There is a spectrum of factuality, BBC News has problems with the govt threatening to shut it down if it doesn’t report what the govt wants it to report, but it’s no Russia Today, Daily Mail, or Fox News.
    - arp242 2y ago
      > https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... > "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons " Is that not correct? Or what's the problem with it? A basic translate + fact check seems it's basically correct?
- r00fus 2y ago
  There are no direct examples I could find. Do you have a direct link?
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  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons " Just a minute of searching directly.
    - Ahmd72 2y ago
      This is about Russia not Hamas or what OP has been asked to link and thanks for the condescending tone.
jdietrich 2y ago
See for yourself: https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5D=0&country_id_clip%5B0%5D=0&country_id_jttm%5B0%5D=0&tv_station_id%5B305%5D=305&subject_id%5B0%5D=0&jttm_subject_id%5B0%5D=0&cjlab_category_id%5B0%5D=0&category_id%5B0%5D=0&cdate=0&custom_data_range_start=05/05/2024&custom_data_range_end=05/05/2024&order_type=0&order_style=0&keywords=&type=0&ia_number=&sd_number=&sa_number=&content_number=&author_id&content_type%5Bclip%5D=clip&current_site= https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5...
- pydry 2y ago
  Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf of that same Israeli minister who openly expressed a desire to burn women and children.
  - jdietrich 2y ago
    It's not an interview if a spokesman is allowed to say whatever they like without being challenged. It's not an interview if you broadcast a pre-recorded speech without comment. Ben Gvir is awful, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Jazeera's Arabic service is not impartial and is not acting as a legitimate journalistic outlet.
    - tdeck 2y ago
      > It's not an interview if a spokesman is allowed to say whatever they like without being challenged. This describes most interviews I've seen with Israeli government officials in the American press, although it's starting to change over the last few months.
    - crazygringo 2y ago
      99+% of interviews in American media aren't trying to challenge the interviewee. They're just trying to gather information from one side, and then they generally try to get a token representative quote from the other side at the very end of an article, but sometimes not even that. So you seem to be trying to hold Al Jazeera to a vastly higher standard than mainstream US media, at least in this particular regard. Simply reporting without comment on what important/influential individuals and groups are saying, and adding basic objective context, is a large part of mainstream journalism. Pushback is often limited to the opinion pages.
jay-barronville 2y ago
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KoftaBob 2y ago
If you want to research yourself, here's the Arabic version of Al Jazeera's Israel-Palestine coverage translated to English: https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/where/arab/palestine/ https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/where/arab/palestin...
- acdha 2y ago
  That’s an error page but also it seems like you’re conceding the point if you can’t provide a single link and are basically telling someone to comb through the output of a large media organization to try to find support for someone else’s argument. At the very least, the Wikipedia criticism page would be a good place to start doing your own research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...
  - KoftaBob 2y ago
    I'm not the original commenter that made the claim, I'm just saying that anyone who wants to check for themselves can use the Arabic Al Jazeera and translate it into English.

Can you point to some articles in Aljazeera Arabic that is doing what you're accusing?

by Ahmd72 2y ago

Can you point to some articles in Aljazeera Arabic that is doing what you're accusing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Arabic#Controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_Arabic#Controversie...

Ahmd72 2y ago
I'm not really sure pulling out a controversies tab from wikipedia is making the point that OP is trying to make. It's like citing BBC for their controversies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_controversies
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  And? Not a great counter point though. BBC is known to have issues with factuality. https://deadline.com/2023/10/bbc-wrong-to-speculate-on-gaza-hospital-blast-1235577943/ https://deadline.com/2023/10/bbc-wrong-to-speculate-on-gaza-... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/21/bbc-reporter-nigel-farage-coutts-account-closed-no-apology/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/21/bbc-reporter-nig... But to address your point: https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons "
  - samuria 2y ago
    >the Middle-Eastern unit were literally showing videos demanding further uprising against Israel across the region directly from Hamas I am failing to see how an article about Russia's war correlates to OP's claim about Al Jazeera showing Hamas videos calling for an uprising. Can we get a direct link to the article that the OP mentioned?
  - zarzavat 2y ago
    Every single news outlet is known to have issues with factuality. Reporting the news is expensive and the people paying for it almost always want their point of view to be taken into consideration, regardless of state or private funding. There is a spectrum of factuality, BBC News has problems with the govt threatening to shut it down if it doesn’t report what the govt wants it to report, but it’s no Russia Today, Daily Mail, or Fox News.
  - arp242 2y ago
    > https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... > "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons " Is that not correct? Or what's the problem with it? A basic translate + fact check seems it's basically correct?
r00fus 2y ago
There are no direct examples I could find. Do you have a direct link?
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- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8A%D8%A7-%D9%85%D8%B3%D8%AA%D8%B9%D8%AF%D8%A9-%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%AB-%D9%85%D9%82%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85-%D8%AC%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2024/5/3/%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%B3%D... "Russia is ready to discuss serious peace proposals, and Zelensky is rushing British weapons " Just a minute of searching directly.
  - Ahmd72 2y ago
    This is about Russia not Hamas or what OP has been asked to link and thanks for the condescending tone.

jdietrich 2y ago

See for yourself: https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5D=0&country_id_clip%5B0%5D=0&country_id_jttm%5B0%5D=0&tv_station_id%5B305%5D=305&subject_id%5B0%5D=0&jttm_subject_id%5B0%5D=0&cjlab_category_id%5B0%5D=0&category_id%5B0%5D=0&cdate=0&custom_data_range_start=05/05/2024&custom_data_range_end=05/05/2024&order_type=0&order_style=0&keywords=&type=0&ia_number=&sd_number=&sa_number=&content_number=&author_id&content_type%5Bclip%5D=clip&current_site= https://www.memri.org/search-results?country_id_report%5B0%5...

pydry 2y ago
Those are interviews with Hamas spokespeople. It isnt the opinion of al Jazeera being presented. There's nothing more shocking than the stuff Ben Gvir (security minister of Israel) does or says. The second interview even references his calls to burn women and children as, yknow, a bad thing. "memri" doesnt seem to consider that valid context, that is probably because it is a state propaganda outfit acting on behalf of that same Israeli minister who openly expressed a desire to burn women and children.
- jdietrich 2y ago
  It's not an interview if a spokesman is allowed to say whatever they like without being challenged. It's not an interview if you broadcast a pre-recorded speech without comment. Ben Gvir is awful, but that doesn't change the fact that Al Jazeera's Arabic service is not impartial and is not acting as a legitimate journalistic outlet.
  - tdeck 2y ago
    > It's not an interview if a spokesman is allowed to say whatever they like without being challenged. This describes most interviews I've seen with Israeli government officials in the American press, although it's starting to change over the last few months.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    99+% of interviews in American media aren't trying to challenge the interviewee. They're just trying to gather information from one side, and then they generally try to get a token representative quote from the other side at the very end of an article, but sometimes not even that. So you seem to be trying to hold Al Jazeera to a vastly higher standard than mainstream US media, at least in this particular regard. Simply reporting without comment on what important/influential individuals and groups are saying, and adding basic objective context, is a large part of mainstream journalism. Pushback is often limited to the opinion pages.

jay-barronville 2y ago

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KoftaBob 2y ago

If you want to research yourself, here's the Arabic version of Al Jazeera's Israel-Palestine coverage translated to English: https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/where/arab/palestine/ https://www-aljazeera-net.translate.goog/where/arab/palestin...

acdha 2y ago
That’s an error page but also it seems like you’re conceding the point if you can’t provide a single link and are basically telling someone to comb through the output of a large media organization to try to find support for someone else’s argument. At the very least, the Wikipedia criticism page would be a good place to start doing your own research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...
- KoftaBob 2y ago
  I'm not the original commenter that made the claim, I'm just saying that anyone who wants to check for themselves can use the Arabic Al Jazeera and translate it into English.