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> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equall

by yonixw 2y ago

> Words are not knifes. People eventually will adapt to lies and weird things. And truth will find a way. I really see it differently that both ends are equally bad. After all, on the same night that the BBC announced 500 dead after the "bombing" at a hospital in Gaza, which turned out to be a Hamas missile that fell and killed at most 50 there... crowds took to the streets and created a threat to Israeli embassies around the world.

bentley 2y ago
Correction: a PIJ rocket, not a Hamas rocket.
- jolj 2y ago
  And it is different how? the point being is that incident was falsely blamed on the IDF while it was a Palestinian rocket misfire
adhamsalama 2y ago
Do you have a source that it was a Hamas missile, or do you simply spread Israeli lies?
- yonixw 2y ago
  https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-up-claims-it-didnt-attack-gaza-hospital-a8cc3405 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...
- jolj 2y ago
  AP: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos... CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast?cid=ios_app https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat... Economist: https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains/2023/10/20/what-evidence-reveals-about-the-gaza-hospital-blasts-source https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains... Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-hospital-piecing-together-what-happened-as-israel-insists-militant-rocket-to-blame https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-h... WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital-hit-by-failed-rocket-meant-for-israel/120A1C22-BA32-418E-8837-BC4141FEFB00 https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital... Also worth reading this document straight from Hamas: https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643 https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    None of these actually say Hamas, and the Israelis even blame a different group; Palestinian Jihad.
    - jolj 2y ago
      Yes, this is actually PIJ, I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza. Colloquial use that OP seemed to be using. Also they do coordinate their fighting and if you read the last link also their propaganda
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        > I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza. This is a pretty big part of the problem, yes.
        jolj 2y ago
        It's not, before Oct 7 the PIJ was regarded as some different more extreme counterpart to Hamas. After they fought and coordinated together, raped, massacred and kidnapped, I don't see the difference anymore
Qem 2y ago
> which turned out to be a Hamas missile Debunked: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disinformation-al-ahli-hospital https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disi... IDF has bombed the entirety of Gaza health infrastructure by now. It's odd they don't want us to believe they would be capable to bomb this particular hospital when they destroyed every single other one.
- yonixw 2y ago
  Did you read it? It says at the end "what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive" Not to mention they say they scraped al Jazeera for other incident which is ironic here, because the claim is they misreport And I will add that everything they said is only based on the videos... The impact on the ground was consistent with PIJ/Hamas rockets and not Israel missiles. So I will rather believe U.S. Experts/Western intelligence (which since did not report otherwise)... so no Debunking at all: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-up-claims-it-didnt-attack-gaza-hospital-a8cc3405 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...
  - Qem 2y ago
    https://ararmaher.wordpress.com/2024/04/23/doppler-shift-analysis-leaves-no-doubt-an-idf-aircraft-is-behind-the-al-ahli-hospital-massacre/ https://ararmaher.wordpress.com/2024/04/23/doppler-shift-ana...
    - yonixw 2y ago
      Maher Arar is not an authority on this issue (same for me, same for you) as he is a telecommunications engineer. And all of his assumptions about missiles and air warfare in the article must have sources before used. Just like anything else, also in doppler equtions: garbage in, garbage out. But just look on the 2 videos he brings trying to claim it was a GBU-39 bomb: One destroys an entire mosque in the past: [1] https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo But the same left a 1 meter crater in the hospital???? Just nonsense. [2] https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8 https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8 As clearly stated in [3]: "More than half a dozen experts who independently reviewed imagery of the scene said the lack of major blast damage, such as collapsed buildings, as well as the relatively small size and shape of the crater, ruled out the possibility of the kind of airstrike Israel has carried out elsewhere in Gaza since Oct. 7." [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/#:~:text=More%20than%20half,since%20Oct.%207 https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaz....

by yonixw 2y ago

bentley 2y ago

Correction: a PIJ rocket, not a Hamas rocket.

jolj 2y ago
And it is different how? the point being is that incident was falsely blamed on the IDF while it was a Palestinian rocket misfire

adhamsalama 2y ago

Do you have a source that it was a Hamas missile, or do you simply spread Israeli lies?

yonixw 2y ago
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-up-claims-it-didnt-attack-gaza-hospital-a8cc3405 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...
jolj 2y ago
AP: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hospital-rocket-gaza-e0fa550faa4678f024797b72132452e3 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-hos... CNN: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast?cid=ios_app https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigat... Economist: https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains/2023/10/20/what-evidence-reveals-about-the-gaza-hospital-blasts-source https://www.economist.com/interactive/the-economist-explains... Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-hospital-piecing-together-what-happened-as-israel-insists-militant-rocket-to-blame https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/al-ahli-arab-h... WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital-hit-by-failed-rocket-meant-for-israel/120A1C22-BA32-418E-8837-BC4141FEFB00 https://www.wsj.com/video/video-analysis-shows-gaza-hospital... Also worth reading this document straight from Hamas: https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643 https://twitter.com/cogatonline/status/1774437234579558643
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  None of these actually say Hamas, and the Israelis even blame a different group; Palestinian Jihad.
  - jolj 2y ago
    Yes, this is actually PIJ, I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza. Colloquial use that OP seemed to be using. Also they do coordinate their fighting and if you read the last link also their propaganda
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      > I was referring to the colloquial referral as Hamas to all Palestinian organizations in Gaza. This is a pretty big part of the problem, yes.
      - jolj 2y ago
        It's not, before Oct 7 the PIJ was regarded as some different more extreme counterpart to Hamas. After they fought and coordinated together, raped, massacred and kidnapped, I don't see the difference anymore

Qem 2y ago

> which turned out to be a Hamas missile Debunked: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disinformation-al-ahli-hospital https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/israeli-disi... IDF has bombed the entirety of Gaza health infrastructure by now. It's odd they don't want us to believe they would be capable to bomb this particular hospital when they destroyed every single other one.

yonixw 2y ago
Did you read it? It says at the end "what happened at al-Ahli remains inconclusive" Not to mention they say they scraped al Jazeera for other incident which is ironic here, because the claim is they misreport And I will add that everything they said is only based on the videos... The impact on the ground was consistent with PIJ/Hamas rockets and not Israel missiles. So I will rather believe U.S. Experts/Western intelligence (which since did not report otherwise)... so no Debunking at all: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-up-claims-it-didnt-attack-gaza-hospital-a8cc3405 https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/israel-tries-to-back-u...
- Qem 2y ago
  https://ararmaher.wordpress.com/2024/04/23/doppler-shift-analysis-leaves-no-doubt-an-idf-aircraft-is-behind-the-al-ahli-hospital-massacre/ https://ararmaher.wordpress.com/2024/04/23/doppler-shift-ana...
  - yonixw 2y ago
    Maher Arar is not an authority on this issue (same for me, same for you) as he is a telecommunications engineer. And all of his assumptions about missiles and air warfare in the article must have sources before used. Just like anything else, also in doppler equtions: garbage in, garbage out. But just look on the 2 videos he brings trying to claim it was a GBU-39 bomb: One destroys an entire mosque in the past: [1] https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo https://youtu.be/YszjqgUWdUo But the same left a 1 meter crater in the hospital???? Just nonsense. [2] https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8 https://youtu.be/VnAbV-ktbi8 As clearly stated in [3]: "More than half a dozen experts who independently reviewed imagery of the scene said the lack of major blast damage, such as collapsed buildings, as well as the relatively small size and shape of the crater, ruled out the possibility of the kind of airstrike Israel has carried out elsewhere in Gaza since Oct. 7." [3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaza-hospital-blast-evidence-israel-hamas/#:~:text=More%20than%20half,since%20Oct.%207 https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/10/26/gaz....