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How big a share of Palestinian media consumption does Al Jazeera have? As in, do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source? The reason for asking

by jl6 2y ago

How big a share of Palestinian media consumption does Al Jazeera have? As in, do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source? The reason for asking is because a poll[0] of Palestinians says “90% believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.” So is it Al Jazeera’s fault that Palestinians have not seen the evidence and seem not to think 10/7 was all that problematic? One assumes that if such deliberate distortion/omission was normal practice at Al Jazeera, Israel would be able to clearly point to it. But the justification for the ban is a pretty vague concern about national security. [0] https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969 https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/969

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source? Does Gaza have sufficient connectivity for its population to have a real news source?
- nailer 2y ago
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  - I_o_IllI__o_I 2y ago
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    - glass-z13 2y ago
      How is the parent comment [flagged] yet this one is not?
      - avvvv 2y ago
        Now I'm curious as to what they said
        catlikesshrimp 2y ago
        Yep, I wish I could read dead comments after a couple clicks. Maybe not vouch for them, but definitely reading them
        nailer 2y ago
        They’re referring to me by first name (rather than my handle) and suggesting I kill myself. I have never previously had such a comment on HN in the last 16 years.
        dang 2y ago
        You can see all [dead] comments if you turn on 'showdead' in your profile. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
      - nailer 2y ago
        It's bizarre. Gazan social media happily shows the malls and beach clubs, car dealerships, supermarkets etc, that existed before Hamas started the war. There's literally nothing flag-worthy about my comment asides from it debunking a narrative about Gazan life.
- runarberg 2y ago
  I think they do, as long as their internet connections are up. At least the Gazans I follow on social media seem to be perfectly aware of the world news. Graffiti tags on refugee tents in Rafah thanking American students for their solidarity seems to support that. I’ve also read in the past that Al Jazeera is a rather popular media outlet among Palestinians in Gaza. > Pan-Arab satellite TVs, especially Qatar's Al-Jazeera, are popular. [1] I know that Shireen Abu Akleh—an Al Jazeera journalist murdered by IDF in 2022—was a superstar among Palestinians, including Palestinans in Gaza. 1: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14631745 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14631745
wesselbindt 2y ago
> The reason for asking is because a poll[0] of Palestinians says “90% believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.” I think they have more pressing matters on their mind than getting informed at the moment, such as trying not to starve, finding dead relatives in the rubble of destroyed apartments, and similar things. Moreover, I think the people of Palestine might be a bit biased against Israel. And I don't think that's an information issue, I think it's a completely natural response to Israel killing tens of thousands of civilian, 70% of whom women and children. I think if you ask Ukrainian civilians what they think of Russians you'll hear some falsehoods and unreasonable stuff too. That's a completely natural response, and the Ukrainian media is not to be blamed for that.
cs702 2y ago
Wow, I did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive," and "only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas." Are they really so misinformed? If that's true, it makes sense to ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war. And it makes sense to ask if that is in any way related by Al Jazeera's funding by Qatar, where the leaders of Hamas live: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.6999416 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.699941... Thank you for sharing this here.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  Hamas has been in power since 2006 and had reeducated the youth akin to what the hitler youth did. Its no surprise many tow the company line. Majority of people in gaza are under 18 where all they know is that sort of indoctrination.
  - cs702 2y ago
    The grandparent comment and my comment are about Palestinians, not Hamas.
- cutemonster 2y ago
  > did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians I know some Palestinians, and yes, they seem extremely misinformed, clueless about what Hamas did. I was surprised after October 7 when they seemed to have had no idea about what had happened. They apparently only knew that IDF had started bombing. I might even guessed 95% instead of 90% "believe that Hams did not ...". Al Jazeera lies by omission -- by not mentioning what Hamas did, and, if it does, then downplaying the numbers. The Israeli newspapers lie by omission, too: they don't let their readers know how many civilians Netanyahu and IDF has killed in Gaza. Al Jazeera and right wing Israeli newspapers manipulate the Palestinians and Israelis, respectively. > ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war Of course they do

by jl6 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> do the residents of Gaza treat it as the main news source? Does Gaza have sufficient connectivity for its population to have a real news source?

nailer 2y ago
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- I_o_IllI__o_I 2y ago
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  - glass-z13 2y ago
    How is the parent comment [flagged] yet this one is not?
    - avvvv 2y ago
      Now I'm curious as to what they said
      - catlikesshrimp 2y ago
        Yep, I wish I could read dead comments after a couple clicks. Maybe not vouch for them, but definitely reading them
      - nailer 2y ago
        They’re referring to me by first name (rather than my handle) and suggesting I kill myself. I have never previously had such a comment on HN in the last 16 years.
      - dang 2y ago
        You can see all [dead] comments if you turn on 'showdead' in your profile. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
    - nailer 2y ago
      It's bizarre. Gazan social media happily shows the malls and beach clubs, car dealerships, supermarkets etc, that existed before Hamas started the war. There's literally nothing flag-worthy about my comment asides from it debunking a narrative about Gazan life.
runarberg 2y ago
I think they do, as long as their internet connections are up. At least the Gazans I follow on social media seem to be perfectly aware of the world news. Graffiti tags on refugee tents in Rafah thanking American students for their solidarity seems to support that. I’ve also read in the past that Al Jazeera is a rather popular media outlet among Palestinians in Gaza. > Pan-Arab satellite TVs, especially Qatar's Al-Jazeera, are popular. [1] I know that Shireen Abu Akleh—an Al Jazeera journalist murdered by IDF in 2022—was a superstar among Palestinians, including Palestinans in Gaza. 1: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14631745 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14631745

wesselbindt 2y ago

> The reason for asking is because a poll[0] of Palestinians says “90% believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive. Only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas.” I think they have more pressing matters on their mind than getting informed at the moment, such as trying not to starve, finding dead relatives in the rubble of destroyed apartments, and similar things. Moreover, I think the people of Palestine might be a bit biased against Israel. And I don't think that's an information issue, I think it's a completely natural response to Israel killing tens of thousands of civilian, 70% of whom women and children. I think if you ask Ukrainian civilians what they think of Russians you'll hear some falsehoods and unreasonable stuff too. That's a completely natural response, and the Ukrainian media is not to be blamed for that.

cs702 2y ago

Wow, I did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians during its October the 7th offensive," and "only one in five Palestinians has seen videos showing atrocities committed by Hamas." Are they really so misinformed? If that's true, it makes sense to ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war. And it makes sense to ask if that is in any way related by Al Jazeera's funding by Qatar, where the leaders of Hamas live: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.6999416 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/qatar-hamas-israel-1.699941... Thank you for sharing this here.

kjkjadksj 2y ago
Hamas has been in power since 2006 and had reeducated the youth akin to what the hitler youth did. Its no surprise many tow the company line. Majority of people in gaza are under 18 where all they know is that sort of indoctrination.
- cs702 2y ago
  The grandparent comment and my comment are about Palestinians, not Hamas.
cutemonster 2y ago
> did not know until now that 90% (!!!) of Palestinians "believe that Hamas did not commit any atrocities against Israel civilians I know some Palestinians, and yes, they seem extremely misinformed, clueless about what Hamas did. I was surprised after October 7 when they seemed to have had no idea about what had happened. They apparently only knew that IDF had started bombing. I might even guessed 95% instead of 90% "believe that Hams did not ...". Al Jazeera lies by omission -- by not mentioning what Hamas did, and, if it does, then downplaying the numbers. The Israeli newspapers lie by omission, too: they don't let their readers know how many civilians Netanyahu and IDF has killed in Gaza. Al Jazeera and right wing Israeli newspapers manipulate the Palestinians and Israelis, respectively. > ask whether Al Jazeera has been purposely feeding misinformation to the Palestinian population during the war Of course they do