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> see the argument for setting aside seats for people who fluently speak the language. I do not based on race. It is based on culture It is not enough to hav

by worik 3y ago

> see the argument for setting aside seats for people who fluently speak the language. I do not based on race. It is based on culture It is not enough to have genes. And since most Māori people speak English it would simply be stupid to base it on language as that language would be English not Te Reo Māori

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> It is based on culture If one can define culture without relying on biological heredity, sure again. It would be better, however, to address the underlying issue: lack of cross-cultural knowledge that causes the reduced outcomes. (And why Māori students aren't getting into those programmes in a race-neutral process.)
- darkhorse222 3y ago
  I feel that deconstructing the entire culture of race is not really a practical suggestion for solving the issue. This outcome is not uncommon when you ask those against DEI how they would solve it. Often they recommend systematic solutions that they would in the end also be against because those solutions would surely use race as a targeting mechanism.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > deconstructing the entire culture of race is not really a practical suggestion for solving the issue Sure. But normalising discrimination based on race entrenches it.
resolutebat 3y ago
Aside: calling the Māori language "Te Reo Māori" in English is unhelpful performative posturing. Yes, that's what the language is called in Māori, but we don't call Chinese "Zhongwen" or 中文.
- worik 3y ago
  Untrue It is what it's called, here, in NZ English
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    I know, but it's still unhelpful performative posturing. There would be zero risk of confusion if it was called simply "Māori" or "the Māori language" instead, the way we do with every other language in the world.
    - squigz 3y ago
      > it's still unhelpful performative posturing Why exactly is it "unhelpful"? You say there's no risk of simply saying Maori - what is the risk in calling it what it's called?
      - worik 3y ago
        It is a difficult adjustment for us here, especially for older generations, the change has been very dramatic. "unhelpful" is a mild expression of discomfort

by worik 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> It is based on culture If one can define culture without relying on biological heredity, sure again. It would be better, however, to address the underlying issue: lack of cross-cultural knowledge that causes the reduced outcomes. (And why Māori students aren't getting into those programmes in a race-neutral process.)

darkhorse222 3y ago
I feel that deconstructing the entire culture of race is not really a practical suggestion for solving the issue. This outcome is not uncommon when you ask those against DEI how they would solve it. Often they recommend systematic solutions that they would in the end also be against because those solutions would surely use race as a targeting mechanism.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > deconstructing the entire culture of race is not really a practical suggestion for solving the issue Sure. But normalising discrimination based on race entrenches it.

resolutebat 3y ago

Aside: calling the Māori language "Te Reo Māori" in English is unhelpful performative posturing. Yes, that's what the language is called in Māori, but we don't call Chinese "Zhongwen" or 中文.

worik 3y ago
Untrue It is what it's called, here, in NZ English
- resolutebat 3y ago
  I know, but it's still unhelpful performative posturing. There would be zero risk of confusion if it was called simply "Māori" or "the Māori language" instead, the way we do with every other language in the world.
  - squigz 3y ago
    > it's still unhelpful performative posturing Why exactly is it "unhelpful"? You say there's no risk of simply saying Maori - what is the risk in calling it what it's called?
    - worik 3y ago
      It is a difficult adjustment for us here, especially for older generations, the change has been very dramatic. "unhelpful" is a mild expression of discomfort