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Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukra

Is Qatar a belligerent in the war? Belarus has allowed Russia to use their territory as a point from which to launch both ground assaults and missiles into Ukraine. Hard to say the same about Qatar and Hamas. If Al Jazeera were an Iranian publication the comparison might be more similar. Israeli news reports and analysts say Qatar has sent more than $1 billion to Gaza over the past decade. Qatar sent that aid through fuel to the Gaza Strip's Hamas government, which in turn sold it and paid partial salaries. In the past, the money was sent via suitcases stuffed with cash. Israel allowed these transfers to Hamas. Supporters of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu say the payments his government approved helped keep the status quo in the Gaza Strip and Hamas from escalating attacks on Israel. https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210110109/qatar-israel-gaza-hamas-war https://www.npr.org/2023/11/02/1210110109/qatar-israel-gaza-...

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avip 3y ago
Is this some kind of rhetorical question? Qatar is the main funder of Hamas regime. And hosting Hamas leadership. They fund Hamas more than Iran, according to Israeli intelligence (which may be wrong but that’s the source we have)
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Qatar is the main funder of Hamas regime Iran is Hamas' main backer. Qatar funded Hamas with Israel's consent, so it's not really fair to hold this against Doha. (Their continuing to host Hamas' leadership is fair to criticise.)
  - jjgreen 3y ago
    In July 2017, former CIA director David Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terr...
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US Sure. Hence why I qualified my statement with "continuing." Doha hosting Hamas in '17 was fine. Doha hosting them after October 7 is fair to criticise.
      - jjgreen 3y ago
        Discovering that request surprised me, it strikes me as pragmatic and forward thinking; it also suggests that Qatar is rather keen to accede to US requests. Has that US policy changed now? If so I would have expected Qatar to expel.
        SauciestGNU 3y ago
        I wish I could source this but I was reading rumors earlier this weeks that the US is currently in talks with Doha to expel Hamas leadership.
        JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Has that US policy changed now? If so I would have expected Qatar to expel Yes. Hamas was seen by even Israel as better than anarchy. That's why they let Doha fund them. We're now seeing American lawmakers criticising Qatar [1]. That's prompting Dohas to "re-evaluat[e] its role as mediator in ceasefire talks" and weigh "whether to allow Hamas to continue operating [its] political office" [2][3]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ceasefire-talks-delicate-phase-2024-04-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ce... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ceasefire-talks-delicate-phase-2024-04-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ce... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-considers-future-hamas-office-doha-whether-keep-mediating-2024-05-04/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-considers-fu...
        forty 3y ago
        > Hamas was seen by even Israel as better than anarchy. Better then anarchy or better than peace? There is some people on both sides of this conflict which are happy to see it radicalized and I think those people all benefits from the other being strong on the other side.
- NewJazz 3y ago
  India pays a lot of money to Russia for oil, it doesn't make them a belligerent. China also has close ties, but arguably they've refrained from arming Russia. Are missiles coming out of Qatar? Are they even supplying arms to Hamas, or do they simply fund the civilian portions of the government?
  - zeroCalories 3y ago
    Both India and China produce their own fascistic propaganda supporting Russia. I wouldn't blame the EU for banning the Global Times.
    - zztop44 3y ago
      But isn’t that just an argument in favor of censorship?
      - zeroCalories 3y ago
        Yes it is?
YZF 3y ago
Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/
- robert_foss 3y ago
  Isreal has funded Hamas directly too. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...
  - lucumo 3y ago
    Is that claim in the part behind the paywall? The furthest the freely accessible part goes is to say Israel "encouraged" Qatari payments to Hamas.
    - Xeronate 3y ago
      non paywall version: https://archive.fo/lgtyM https://archive.fo/lgtyM from what I can see it never mentioned Israel directly giving money to Hamas. But encouraging payments seems close enough.
      - YZF 3y ago
        Israeli enabled money to go in to pay government salaries to prevent Gaza from descending in chaos. That said I think it's a matter of fact that maintaining Hamas as a counter to the PA was part of strategy of the Netanyahu government. I think pretty much any money going into Gaza should be considered funding Hamas. It either went directly to Hamas or it was taxed or it allowed Hamas not to spent that money. This means Europe and the US also funded Hamas.
        NomDePlum 3y ago
maskil 3y ago
Since when is the entire Europe a party in the war on Ukraine?
- NewJazz 3y ago
  I didn't say that, and the matter is irrelevant to the status of Russia and Belarus and their media outlets.
screye 3y ago
Qatar plays both sides. They have friendly relations with Hamas, Houthis and Iran. AlJazeera is known to be untrustworthy on matters of the middle east. Just as BBC is untrustworthy on matters of UK international politics and the NYT [1] can't be trusted on US foreign policy matters. AlJazeera, NYT and BBC are weapons of mass propaganda just like Globaltimes or RT. The main (and admittedly stark) difference is how often these weapons are deployed. []1 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublishing.usnews https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...

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avip 3y ago

Is this some kind of rhetorical question? Qatar is the main funder of Hamas regime. And hosting Hamas leadership. They fund Hamas more than Iran, according to Israeli intelligence (which may be wrong but that’s the source we have)

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Qatar is the main funder of Hamas regime Iran is Hamas' main backer. Qatar funded Hamas with Israel's consent, so it's not really fair to hold this against Doha. (Their continuing to host Hamas' leadership is fair to criticise.)
- jjgreen 3y ago
  In July 2017, former CIA director David Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terr...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Petraeus revealed that Qatar has hosted the Hamas leadership at the request of US Sure. Hence why I qualified my statement with "continuing." Doha hosting Hamas in '17 was fine. Doha hosting them after October 7 is fair to criticise.
    - jjgreen 3y ago
      Discovering that request surprised me, it strikes me as pragmatic and forward thinking; it also suggests that Qatar is rather keen to accede to US requests. Has that US policy changed now? If so I would have expected Qatar to expel.
      - SauciestGNU 3y ago
        I wish I could source this but I was reading rumors earlier this weeks that the US is currently in talks with Doha to expel Hamas leadership.
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Has that US policy changed now? If so I would have expected Qatar to expel Yes. Hamas was seen by even Israel as better than anarchy. That's why they let Doha fund them. We're now seeing American lawmakers criticising Qatar [1]. That's prompting Dohas to "re-evaluat[e] its role as mediator in ceasefire talks" and weigh "whether to allow Hamas to continue operating [its] political office" [2][3]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ceasefire-talks-delicate-phase-2024-04-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ce... [2] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ceasefire-talks-delicate-phase-2024-04-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-says-gaza-ce... [3] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-considers-future-hamas-office-doha-whether-keep-mediating-2024-05-04/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/qatar-considers-fu...
        forty 3y ago
        > Hamas was seen by even Israel as better than anarchy. Better then anarchy or better than peace? There is some people on both sides of this conflict which are happy to see it radicalized and I think those people all benefits from the other being strong on the other side.
NewJazz 3y ago
India pays a lot of money to Russia for oil, it doesn't make them a belligerent. China also has close ties, but arguably they've refrained from arming Russia. Are missiles coming out of Qatar? Are they even supplying arms to Hamas, or do they simply fund the civilian portions of the government?
- zeroCalories 3y ago
  Both India and China produce their own fascistic propaganda supporting Russia. I wouldn't blame the EU for banning the Global Times.
  - zztop44 3y ago
    But isn’t that just an argument in favor of censorship?
    - zeroCalories 3y ago
      Yes it is?

YZF 3y ago

Qatar is not exactly a belligerent but it hosts the Hamas leadership. It has been funding Hamas and other groups. It (partly) funds Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is considered by some to be its PR/Propaganda arm and has a low standard for factual reporting - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/al-jazeera/

robert_foss 3y ago
Isreal has funded Hamas directly too. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q...
- lucumo 3y ago
  Is that claim in the part behind the paywall? The furthest the freely accessible part goes is to say Israel "encouraged" Qatari payments to Hamas.
  - Xeronate 3y ago
    non paywall version: https://archive.fo/lgtyM https://archive.fo/lgtyM from what I can see it never mentioned Israel directly giving money to Hamas. But encouraging payments seems close enough.
    - YZF 3y ago
      Israeli enabled money to go in to pay government salaries to prevent Gaza from descending in chaos. That said I think it's a matter of fact that maintaining Hamas as a counter to the PA was part of strategy of the Netanyahu government. I think pretty much any money going into Gaza should be considered funding Hamas. It either went directly to Hamas or it was taxed or it allowed Hamas not to spent that money. This means Europe and the US also funded Hamas.
      - NomDePlum 3y ago

maskil 3y ago

Since when is the entire Europe a party in the war on Ukraine?

NewJazz 3y ago
I didn't say that, and the matter is irrelevant to the status of Russia and Belarus and their media outlets.

screye 3y ago

Qatar plays both sides. They have friendly relations with Hamas, Houthis and Iran. AlJazeera is known to be untrustworthy on matters of the middle east. Just as BBC is untrustworthy on matters of UK international politics and the NYT [1] can't be trusted on US foreign policy matters. AlJazeera, NYT and BBC are weapons of mass propaganda just like Globaltimes or RT. The main (and admittedly stark) difference is how often these weapons are deployed. []1 https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublishing.usnews https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/26/pressandpublis...