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I've recently visited my parents in europe. I have no affiliations with Israel or Jews. My parents watched a local Al-Jazeera channel in their mother tongue sin

by siva7 2y ago

I've recently visited my parents in europe. I have no affiliations with Israel or Jews. My parents watched a local Al-Jazeera channel in their mother tongue since Qatar seems to strategically deploy satellite offices of Al-Jazeera in different countries, even european. Boy was i shocked at the level of propaganda from this channel. Basically all day in big letters "genocide in gaza" with anti-jewish paroles. I can understand why Israel decides to close down such a channel.

TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Many people would say “genocide in gaza” is exactly what the television should be saying.
- Beefin 2y ago
  its not a genocide by any definition.
  - kevingadd 2y ago
    You can think what you want but to act like this is undisputed is a bit silly. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-wor...
    - Beefin 2y ago
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      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > its a deliberate attempt to dehumanize jews. there is no systematic erasure of a culture or ethnicity Israel is being investigated by the ICJ. Calling its war genocide is premature. But rejecting the claim outright is unfounded as well.
  - jackjeff 2y ago
    The ICJ is currently investigating a genocide case against Israel. So I guess we’ll find out… eventually. https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel-international-court-justice-explained https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/south-africas-genocide-...
    - amitport 2y ago
      "The ICJ had to decide [...] Whether the underlying case was at least plausible" This is false and shows a misunderstanding. Choose better information sources. ICJ only decided whether it is plausible to allow South Africa to continue with this process on behalf of Gaza. It has nothing to do with the court's opinion on the plausibility of the -underlying- case but on the questioned legality of the process itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI
  - VagabundoP 2y ago
    “It will be several years before the court in The Hague will hand down its verdict, but we must not look at the catastrophic situation purely through legal lenses,” said Goldberg. “What is happening in Gaza is genocide because the level and pace of indiscriminate killing, destruction, mass expulsions, displacement, famine, executions, the wiping out of cultural and religious institutions, the crushing of elites (including the killing of journalists), and the sweeping dehumanization of the Palestinians — create an overall picture of genocide, of a deliberate conscious crushing of Palestinian existence in Gaza.”[1] [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240430-yes-it-is-genocide-in-gaza-says-israeli-professor-of-holocaust-studies/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240430-yes-it-is-genocid...
  - temptemptemp111 2y ago
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  - locallost 2y ago
    I would not agree. "In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly."
    - raxxorraxor 2y ago
      I would not agree this constitutes genocide. Israel withdrew from Gaza not too long ago. If the attacks hadn't happened, there would be a "ceasefire" today. It is completely contrary to what Israel tries to do, the accusation is ridiculous and lacking any form of sincere analysis and judgement.
      - locallost 2y ago
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        raxxorraxor 2y ago
        Israel has sat pretty quietly for 75 years next to people regularly firing rockets at them and attacking their people. People that don't accept its existence and have a charter that can describe pretty closely what a proper definition of genocide can look like. Something that is far away from the conduct of Israel, even if it isn't perfect.
        gaoryrt 2y ago
        Why did they start firing rockets 75 years ago? Did they just fire it to Israel for no reason?
        raxxorraxor 2y ago
  - guappa 2y ago
    I don't recall the genocide definitions including the wording "it's ok if they're brown"
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kevingadd 2y ago
Sincere question: what was propaganda about it? Was it openly anti semitic blood libel stuff? Debunked claims? Or something else?
emadabdulrahim 2y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > is a genocide...It’s ICJ’s No, it is not. The ICJ said Israel must "take action to prevent acts of genocide" [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-world-court-decision-israei-genocide-case-2024-01-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-worl... [2] https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...
  - emadabdulrahim 2y ago
    That was nearly 5 months ago. Did Israel take any of those measures? Or did you stop following the news since? Again. Reality check.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > That was nearly 5 months ago That was the ICJ’s last order to Israel. You claimed the ICJ called Israel’s war genocide. That is false.
    - iddan 2y ago
      Yes! Yes it did! Israel is risking its soldiers’ lives and gives up home land security to reduce harm for civilians.
ragazzina 2y ago
Can you make an example of "anti-jewish paroles" on European Al-Jazeera outlets? That's a pretty big accusation.
woodpanel 2y ago
You really got to hand it to the Royal Family of Qatar - they are geopolitical Warren Buffets. The Arab Spring and all the bad things that ensued from it was effectively a giant geopolitical windfall for the Qatari royal family and their investments in founding that broadcaster. They (almost) changed the entire geopolitical landscape of the Arab world to their benefit. Installing a caliphate here, toppling a major power like Egypt there. They even forced Saudi Arabia into concessions. All of that, like the NATO-buffoons sending fighter jets into Libya because the Qataris social-engineered the Western public into demanding it, is an amazing show of political skills. Gee, the poor Europeans till this day don't even realize how much their "refugee-crisis" has been instigated as a "weapon of mass migration" by the Qataris using their set of tools of which Al Jazeera is one.

by siva7 2y ago

TaylorAlexander 2y ago

Many people would say “genocide in gaza” is exactly what the television should be saying.

Beefin 2y ago
its not a genocide by any definition.
- kevingadd 2y ago
  You can think what you want but to act like this is undisputed is a bit silly. https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-wor...
  - Beefin 2y ago
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    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > its a deliberate attempt to dehumanize jews. there is no systematic erasure of a culture or ethnicity Israel is being investigated by the ICJ. Calling its war genocide is premature. But rejecting the claim outright is unfounded as well.
- jackjeff 2y ago
  The ICJ is currently investigating a genocide case against Israel. So I guess we’ll find out… eventually. https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/south-africas-genocide-case-against-israel-international-court-justice-explained https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/south-africas-genocide-...
  - amitport 2y ago
    "The ICJ had to decide [...] Whether the underlying case was at least plausible" This is false and shows a misunderstanding. Choose better information sources. ICJ only decided whether it is plausible to allow South Africa to continue with this process on behalf of Gaza. It has nothing to do with the court's opinion on the plausibility of the -underlying- case but on the questioned legality of the process itself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq9MB9t7WlI
- VagabundoP 2y ago
  “It will be several years before the court in The Hague will hand down its verdict, but we must not look at the catastrophic situation purely through legal lenses,” said Goldberg. “What is happening in Gaza is genocide because the level and pace of indiscriminate killing, destruction, mass expulsions, displacement, famine, executions, the wiping out of cultural and religious institutions, the crushing of elites (including the killing of journalists), and the sweeping dehumanization of the Palestinians — create an overall picture of genocide, of a deliberate conscious crushing of Palestinian existence in Gaza.”[1] [1] https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240430-yes-it-is-genocide-in-gaza-says-israeli-professor-of-holocaust-studies/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240430-yes-it-is-genocid...
- temptemptemp111 2y ago
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- locallost 2y ago
  I would not agree. "In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly."
  - raxxorraxor 2y ago
    I would not agree this constitutes genocide. Israel withdrew from Gaza not too long ago. If the attacks hadn't happened, there would be a "ceasefire" today. It is completely contrary to what Israel tries to do, the accusation is ridiculous and lacking any form of sincere analysis and judgement.
    - locallost 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - raxxorraxor 2y ago
        Israel has sat pretty quietly for 75 years next to people regularly firing rockets at them and attacking their people. People that don't accept its existence and have a charter that can describe pretty closely what a proper definition of genocide can look like. Something that is far away from the conduct of Israel, even if it isn't perfect.
        gaoryrt 2y ago
        Why did they start firing rockets 75 years ago? Did they just fire it to Israel for no reason?
        raxxorraxor 2y ago
- guappa 2y ago
  I don't recall the genocide definitions including the wording "it's ok if they're brown"
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kevingadd 2y ago

Sincere question: what was propaganda about it? Was it openly anti semitic blood libel stuff? Debunked claims? Or something else?

emadabdulrahim 2y ago

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JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> is a genocide...It’s ICJ’s No, it is not. The ICJ said Israel must "take action to prevent acts of genocide" [1][2]. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-world-court-decision-israei-genocide-case-2024-01-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/key-takeaways-worl... [2] https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240328-ord-01-00-en.pdf https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192...
- emadabdulrahim 2y ago
  That was nearly 5 months ago. Did Israel take any of those measures? Or did you stop following the news since? Again. Reality check.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > That was nearly 5 months ago That was the ICJ’s last order to Israel. You claimed the ICJ called Israel’s war genocide. That is false.
  - iddan 2y ago
    Yes! Yes it did! Israel is risking its soldiers’ lives and gives up home land security to reduce harm for civilians.

ragazzina 2y ago

Can you make an example of "anti-jewish paroles" on European Al-Jazeera outlets? That's a pretty big accusation.

woodpanel 2y ago

You really got to hand it to the Royal Family of Qatar - they are geopolitical Warren Buffets. The Arab Spring and all the bad things that ensued from it was effectively a giant geopolitical windfall for the Qatari royal family and their investments in founding that broadcaster. They (almost) changed the entire geopolitical landscape of the Arab world to their benefit. Installing a caliphate here, toppling a major power like Egypt there. They even forced Saudi Arabia into concessions. All of that, like the NATO-buffoons sending fighter jets into Libya because the Qataris social-engineered the Western public into demanding it, is an amazing show of political skills. Gee, the poor Europeans till this day don't even realize how much their "refugee-crisis" has been instigated as a "weapon of mass migration" by the Qataris using their set of tools of which Al Jazeera is one.