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I guess... They don't want anyone documenting and spredning the autraucites they are commiting.

YZF 2y ago
People working in the Israeli Al-Jazeera office don't have any direct access to report from Gaza. There is also a large foreign press presence in Israel (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.) anyways so you'll still get plenty of direct reporting from Israel and the West Bank that's unfiltered (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.). https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ Al Jazeera isn't free media. It's the propaganda arm of Qatar. "Several journalists have been arrested and jailed, or even deported – in most cases for taking too close an interest in the working conditions of immigrant workers. The authorities do not hesitate, if necessary, to convict bloggers who are local residents of “disseminating false information”. This is how the blogger Malcolm Bidali was detained for a month before being deported to his country of origin, Kenya, after paying a fine." - https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar
- chgs 2y ago
  You’re right there are other media outlets Oh. “A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police.” It’s the kind of behaviour you expect in Egypt https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ That was followed by arrests https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172/detention-of-al-jazeera-journalists-strains-free-speech-in-egypt https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172...
  - YZF 2y ago
    There was plenty of coverage of the closure including photos. Not sure what you're insinuating here. Israel has free press and no it's not like Egypt. In your bastions of democracy (pick one?) Journalists can't go anywhere they want to. If the police is operating in an area they might restrict access to it. That has nothing to do with freedom of the press. E.g. in the USA the first amendment does not guarantee journalists access to non-public spaces (like a hotel is). https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt
    - chgs 2y ago
      A video posted by the minister on X shows police officers and inspectors from the ministry entering a hotel room. A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753 The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) said they had filed a request to the country's Supreme Court to issue an interim order to overturn the ban. The Foreign Press Association (FPA) urged the Israeli government to reconsider its decision, saying the shut down of Al Jazeera in the country should be "a cause for concern for all supporters of a free press". The FPA said in a statement that Israel now joins "a dubious club of authoritarian governments to ban the station", and warned that Mr Netanyahu has the authority to target other foreign outlets that he considers to be "acting against the state". The Committee to Protect Journalists' (CPJ) Program Director Carlos Martinez de la Serna echoed the same concerns, saying: "The Israeli cabinet must allow Al Jazeera and all international media outlets to operate freely in Israel, especially during wartime." The UN's Human Rights office also called the Israeli government to reverse the ban, posting on X: "A free & independent media is essential to ensuring transparency & accountability. Now, even more so given tight restrictions on reporting from Gaza." But yes all those terrorist groups like the UN, Foreign Press Association, ACRI, are all irrelevant, all we need is the IDF mouthpiece and Baghdad Bob.
- FireBeyond 2y ago
  > Al Jazeera isn't free media. It's the propaganda arm of Qatar. Conflating Qatar's other issues with Al Jazeera is misdirection. Media watch groups consistently rate Al Jazeera as "neutral/balanced", with their perspective "skewing slightly left", which doesn't seem particularly consistent with Qatar. > Ad Fontes Media rates Al Jazeera in the Skews Left category of bias and as Reliable, Analysis/Fact Reporting in terms of reliability. > All Sides rates Al Jazeera as "Leans Left" > Al Jazeera equal in reliability to CNN They are certainly not without issue, to be sure. But still. Sources: https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ , https://www.allsides.com/news-source/al-jazeera-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/al-jazeera-media-bias
  - YZF 2y ago
    It is not a misdirection. It is headquartered in Qatar and is funded by the government. There is no conflation there. Qatar is not free, journalists operating in Qatar are not free, end of story. You can't operate free press based and funded by a country that is not free and suppressed/intimidates/controls the press.
    - chgs 2y ago
      So you are saying you can’t operate a free press in Israel?
      - YZF 2y ago
        Can Qatari media call for the government to be ousted? Can Israeli media call for the government to be ousted? Answer these two questions and you'll be able to answer your own question.
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      Partially funded by the government. And consistently rated as a neutral and reliable media source. The two concepts, though they may have some overlap, are not one and the same.

YZF 2y ago

People working in the Israeli Al-Jazeera office don't have any direct access to report from Gaza. There is also a large foreign press presence in Israel (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.) anyways so you'll still get plenty of direct reporting from Israel and the West Bank that's unfiltered (vs. zero in Gaza e.g.). https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ https://foreignpressassociation.online/who-we-are/ Al Jazeera isn't free media. It's the propaganda arm of Qatar. "Several journalists have been arrested and jailed, or even deported – in most cases for taking too close an interest in the working conditions of immigrant workers. The authorities do not hesitate, if necessary, to convict bloggers who are local residents of “disseminating false information”. This is how the blogger Malcolm Bidali was detained for a month before being deported to his country of origin, Kenya, after paying a fine." - https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar https://rsf.org/en/country/qatar

chgs 2y ago
You’re right there are other media outlets Oh. “A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police.” It’s the kind of behaviour you expect in Egypt https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ https://www.wired.com/2011/01/al-jazeera-closed/ That was followed by arrests https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172/detention-of-al-jazeera-journalists-strains-free-speech-in-egypt https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/01/29/268481172...
- YZF 2y ago
  There was plenty of coverage of the closure including photos. Not sure what you're insinuating here. Israel has free press and no it's not like Egypt. In your bastions of democracy (pick one?) Journalists can't go anywhere they want to. If the police is operating in an area they might restrict access to it. That has nothing to do with freedom of the press. E.g. in the USA the first amendment does not guarantee journalists access to non-public spaces (like a hotel is). https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://rsf.org/en/country/israel https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://freedomhouse.org/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt https://rsf.org/en/country/egypt
  - chgs 2y ago
    A video posted by the minister on X shows police officers and inspectors from the ministry entering a hotel room. A BBC team visited the scene, but was prevented from filming or going into the hotel by police. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68961753 The Association for Civil Rights in Israel (ACRI) said they had filed a request to the country's Supreme Court to issue an interim order to overturn the ban. The Foreign Press Association (FPA) urged the Israeli government to reconsider its decision, saying the shut down of Al Jazeera in the country should be "a cause for concern for all supporters of a free press". The FPA said in a statement that Israel now joins "a dubious club of authoritarian governments to ban the station", and warned that Mr Netanyahu has the authority to target other foreign outlets that he considers to be "acting against the state". The Committee to Protect Journalists' (CPJ) Program Director Carlos Martinez de la Serna echoed the same concerns, saying: "The Israeli cabinet must allow Al Jazeera and all international media outlets to operate freely in Israel, especially during wartime." The UN's Human Rights office also called the Israeli government to reverse the ban, posting on X: "A free & independent media is essential to ensuring transparency & accountability. Now, even more so given tight restrictions on reporting from Gaza." But yes all those terrorist groups like the UN, Foreign Press Association, ACRI, are all irrelevant, all we need is the IDF mouthpiece and Baghdad Bob.
FireBeyond 2y ago
> Al Jazeera isn't free media. It's the propaganda arm of Qatar. Conflating Qatar's other issues with Al Jazeera is misdirection. Media watch groups consistently rate Al Jazeera as "neutral/balanced", with their perspective "skewing slightly left", which doesn't seem particularly consistent with Qatar. > Ad Fontes Media rates Al Jazeera in the Skews Left category of bias and as Reliable, Analysis/Fact Reporting in terms of reliability. > All Sides rates Al Jazeera as "Leans Left" > Al Jazeera equal in reliability to CNN They are certainly not without issue, to be sure. But still. Sources: https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ , https://www.allsides.com/news-source/al-jazeera-media-bias https://www.allsides.com/news-source/al-jazeera-media-bias
- YZF 2y ago
  It is not a misdirection. It is headquartered in Qatar and is funded by the government. There is no conflation there. Qatar is not free, journalists operating in Qatar are not free, end of story. You can't operate free press based and funded by a country that is not free and suppressed/intimidates/controls the press.
  - chgs 2y ago
    So you are saying you can’t operate a free press in Israel?
    - YZF 2y ago
      Can Qatari media call for the government to be ousted? Can Israeli media call for the government to be ousted? Answer these two questions and you'll be able to answer your own question.
  - FireBeyond 2y ago
    Partially funded by the government. And consistently rated as a neutral and reliable media source. The two concepts, though they may have some overlap, are not one and the same.