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I think "starvation deferment" is a more accurate phrase. To prevent starvation we need to address the tendency of humanity to reproduce, and to consume resour
by elmomle 2y ago
I think "starvation deferment" is a more accurate phrase. To prevent starvation we need to address the tendency of humanity to reproduce, and to consume resources, past the limits of what we can safely and reliably sustain. Taking more and more land, and increasingly suppressing nature, to create more food on a finite Earth simply kicks the problem down the road.
- DontchaKnowit 2y agoeye roll when are we gonna get over this Malthusian doomsaying. Population is not the issue. Stewardship is the issue.
- nemo44x 2y agoThe fact we’ve basically eliminated fatality rates to kids under 5 is the the actual thing they’re trying to say. That kids survive at a rate in many places globally that is not sustainable to those places. Meanwhile we are told that we should limit how many kids, if any, we should have.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoThe good news is that childbirth rates are plummeting in the majority of the world, despite desperate efforts to encourage them upwards. It turns out that, given education, opportunity, and choice, women want an average of far under 2 children.
- DontchaKnowit 2y agoUhh no. Women are more likely having less children because economies are increasingly integrating them into the workforce and there isnt time or money for it.
- FartyMcFarter 2y agoThat's not incompatible with the post you replied to.
- DontchaKnowit 2y agoYeah it is, "given choice" Many arent.
- wakawaka28 2y agoChildbirth rates plummeting is not good news. People want to have kids and they just can't afford it, or they are too self-absorbed to make the necessary sacrifices. Sudden drops in birth rates will cause severe hardships for everyone. >It turns out that, given education, opportunity, and choice, women want an average of far under 2 children. Given an endless stream of propaganda against traditional values, conditioning to be too picky, conditioning to be afraid of childbirth itself, conditioning to despise men, and conditioning to seek jobs that are not amenable to long-term relationships or child rearing, women are not having enough kids. It is a disaster for our civilization. I know a lot of smart/successful guys who can't find women who want to have kids. There are many other factors in play too but I think this is an engineered catastrophe. We obviously shouldn't continue with exploding populations but few of the armchair technocrats who agree with the direction of things have really understood how bad it is.
- plasmasheep 2y agoGood news, the share of the world's land used for agriculture has been declining for 24 years. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-land-area-used-for-agriculture?country=~OWID_WRL https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-of-land-area-used-f... Now that your objection (increased land use) has been disproven, I am sure you will come to change your outmoded, even Ehrlichian, views on human population size.
- jogjayr 2y agoI don't know how to reconcile that with this other chart which shows agricultural land went from 4.81 billion ha in 2000 to 4.83 billion ha in 2023. Per capita it's still a decline. Personally I would attribute it to increasing yields in the developing world which are due to modern practices, pesticides, and fertilizers. But it doesn't show a decline like in the chart you posted. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-agricultural-area-over-the-long-term?time=1930..latest https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-agricultural-area-o...
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 2y agoWhen are you going to do your part and stop eating?
- hollerith 2y agoAnother way he could do his part is to kill someone in a judicially-approved way, such as during a war.