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ITAR destroyed my hopes of joining SpaceX. Norway even exports missiles to the US. I don't understand why we cant have free flow of people between Norway and th
by unixhero 2y ago
ITAR destroyed my hopes of joining SpaceX. Norway even exports missiles to the US. I don't understand why we cant have free flow of people between Norway and the US. We're not that many.
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- cjk2 2y agoI worked in the defence sector. There are ways around it. They are just not publicised. We had designated US territory for assembly in the UK so that we didn’t trip over ITAR.
- odiroot 2y agoWas it already a part of US military base in UK or completely new location?
- cjk2 2y agoCompletely new.
- formerly_proven 2y agoIs this like a church, you have to fly in a fat Texan to sanctify the soil as American or is it more paper-based?
- ericmay 2y ago> I don't understand why we cant have free flow of people between Norway and the US. Probably among other reasons is because this would have to be bi-directional and the US has a lot of people and Norway doesn’t want those people coming there.
- resource_waste 2y agoThat is interesting. Before I finished reading your post I was confused because immigration seems to be good. But if you are only getting Americans with no college education or 60k in debt with soft/useless degrees, I can see why they wouldn't want the drain.
- pokepim 2y ago[dead]
- markdown 2y ago> But if you are only getting Americans with no college education or 60k in debt with soft/useless degrees Norway still needs people to collect the garbage, sweep the streets, drive cabs etc. Why do you dismiss low-skilled labour so easily?
- ericmay 2y agoI think the problem would be really fucking rich Americans moving or buying second homes in Norway and causing property values to 5x. Immigration in general isn’t a moral good or moral bad. It’s just public policy. At least in my view.
- Gud 2y agoIt would be both situations that would have large undesirable consequences (as well as a positive impact as well)
- graemep 2y ago> I think the problem would be really fucking rich Americans moving or buying second homes in Norway and causing property values to 5x. We have that problem in the UK, especially London. Rich Russians, Chinese, and from just about everywhere else. If Norway does not make an exemption for rich people to come in if they want to, its very unusual. Generally, if you are rich, you can visit or live in anywhere you want. I can think of multiple cases where rich people with histories of serious crime or links to organised crime have no problem travelling to multiple countries.
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- kldx 2y ago> We're not that many. We already allow freedom of movement from countries within the EU, whose population sizes are an order of magnitude more than ours. Yet the amount of paperwork it takes for a US citizen to work here is fairly high. They also don't get any unemployment benefits as long as they are on a work permit because of NAV's rules. Why should the US offer us more than what we offer them?
- fakedang 2y agoNot to mention even opening a bank account ;) Swiss banks routinely either reject Americans, or ask for so much paperwork.
- TechnicalVault 2y agoSwiss banks reject Americans because of US legislation, namely FATCA (https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/tax-policy/foreign-account-tax-compliance-act https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/tax-policy/foreign-a...) Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act. It's introduced reporting requirements and thus massive costs in having US citizens banking with you, thus it's cheaper to just say no. Rational economic response.
- fakedang 2y agoI know about FATCA, but just to clarify, it's not just Swiss banks. A lot of European banks do so too, unless they're one of the super major ones.
- p_l 2y agoAnd all of them do that because of FATCA. Which frankly speaking should be rejected due to Congress reneging on their side of agreement.
- felsokning 2y ago>...because of US legislation, namely FATCA ... To be clear: The issue with FACTA is that saying "yes" to an American citizen (or national) adds costs to the foreign bank (in free labour on-behalf of the US). The US doesn't fund any of the work of reporting these accounts back to US. Its almost as if the US has internal sources of free labour and expects no repercussions from expecting the same from their international counterparts...
- ein0p 2y agoWhy would you want to join it though? I heard it’s pretty horrible to work there - below market pay, long hours, high stress, and you can be fired anytime with no advance notice. All of this is justified with “we’re going to Mars” rhetoric. I like what they’ve been able to accomplish, but I’d never even consider working there.
- CamperBob2 2y agoIt's not for everybody.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> below market pay Everyone I know who has worked there for >5 years is a millionaire, including some fairly junior people.
- ein0p 2y agoI’ll take “things that never happened for $1000”, JumpCrisscross: https://www.levels.fyi/companies/spacex/salaries https://www.levels.fyi/companies/spacex/salaries
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoNow include stock appreciation. (It’s up close to 10x in that time period. And that’s the principal way money is made in tech, not salaries.) Gimme my money.
- abduhl 2y agoWhat is the market for SpaceX shares? Are they liquid?
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoThey’re privately traded by institutions. The company also regularly does buybacks, and I’m referencing those prices.
- ghufran_syed 2y agoyou can - you ”just” need to get a non-itar job in the US, get your green card, then apply. If you are from Norway, it would probably take you around 5 years to get to that point.
- gte525u 2y agoAlternatively - you can get an export license for information to the particular person. Kind of like a TAA for a foreign employee. Previous employer had a European EW expert in the US office temporarily. Still not fast and lots of paperwork and limitations.