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God bless GDPR, I haven’t seen this technology yet and hopefully will never see. Does availability of such data/tech contribute to the discussion where it’s bet

God bless GDPR, I haven’t seen this technology yet and hopefully will never see. Does availability of such data/tech contribute to the discussion where it’s better to start the company - EU or USA?

rglullis 2y ago
You not seeing does not mean it's not used. Despite all my attempts at educating her on the matter, my wife still signs up for pretty much every newsletter and browses mostly from her Google Phone. This leads to things like having her discussing about Ikea furniture with a friend and less than 10 minutes later being shown an Ikea ad on the TV while watching YouTube.
- derwiki 2y ago
  Discussing in person and the phone is spying? Or over some text messaging platform? (And if so, which platform?)
  - rglullis 2y ago
    In person
- ivan_gammel 2y ago
  I can be sure it is not used against me. I avoid of course using American services directly, only through their European entities.
  - rglullis 2y ago
    > I can be sure it is not used against me. Oh,the hubris on this one... Can you say with 100% confidence that everyone you know and interact with has as good as a digital hygiene as you? Can you say with 100% confidence that no company is acquiring data about you through shady brokerages? Can you say with 100% confidence that no company had a data leakage (accidental or not) and went on without reporting it?
    - ivan_gammel 2y ago
      You are asking wrong questions. Of course, there exist data brokers with some information about me. It is not impossible that even a copy of one of my IDs leaked and one of my identities is currently actively exploited by robocallers. What’s important is that within the EU space most of that information is outdated, toxic and not actionable. There’s zero realtime surveillance and I do not receive any relevant product offers beyond reasonably expected behavior of marketplaces.
      - rglullis 2y ago
        Outdated, how? I just gave an example of seeing targeted ads related to a conversation had minutes before. Not actionable, how? GDPR hasn't stopped companies from collecting the data, it just added a bunch of roadblocks which are being overcome via dark patterns that make the majority of people consent to data sharing.
        ivan_gammel 2y ago
        > Outdated, how? Based on rare encounters with data processors outside of EU. They sell their products to me based on the knowledge that is at least 10 years old (and they use some old contacts for it). > I just gave an example Irrelevant. I‘m talking only about my experience, because I‘m actively exercising my rights under GDPR and similar privacy laws. > GDPR hasn't stopped companies from collecting the data GDPR made it illegal to collect it without unambiguous consent. If you want privacy, you can get it. As I can see from the inside sources, every big business in EU cares about compliance. Startups usually take a risk-based approach, but they don’t dare to sell the data and mostly compromise on security until they get bigger. Overall, here it is much safer and saner environment, if you don’t consent to marketing stuff. All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up.
        rglullis 2y ago
        > All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up. Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it". Now this here is a much weaker version of the argument, because it means "data tracking can be avoided if you are always vigilant and practice good Internet hygiene". You might believe that you are protected, but what I am saying is that even those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not.

rglullis 2y ago

You not seeing does not mean it's not used. Despite all my attempts at educating her on the matter, my wife still signs up for pretty much every newsletter and browses mostly from her Google Phone. This leads to things like having her discussing about Ikea furniture with a friend and less than 10 minutes later being shown an Ikea ad on the TV while watching YouTube.

derwiki 2y ago
Discussing in person and the phone is spying? Or over some text messaging platform? (And if so, which platform?)
- rglullis 2y ago
  In person
ivan_gammel 2y ago
I can be sure it is not used against me. I avoid of course using American services directly, only through their European entities.
- rglullis 2y ago
  > I can be sure it is not used against me. Oh,the hubris on this one... Can you say with 100% confidence that everyone you know and interact with has as good as a digital hygiene as you? Can you say with 100% confidence that no company is acquiring data about you through shady brokerages? Can you say with 100% confidence that no company had a data leakage (accidental or not) and went on without reporting it?
  - ivan_gammel 2y ago
    You are asking wrong questions. Of course, there exist data brokers with some information about me. It is not impossible that even a copy of one of my IDs leaked and one of my identities is currently actively exploited by robocallers. What’s important is that within the EU space most of that information is outdated, toxic and not actionable. There’s zero realtime surveillance and I do not receive any relevant product offers beyond reasonably expected behavior of marketplaces.
    - rglullis 2y ago
      Outdated, how? I just gave an example of seeing targeted ads related to a conversation had minutes before. Not actionable, how? GDPR hasn't stopped companies from collecting the data, it just added a bunch of roadblocks which are being overcome via dark patterns that make the majority of people consent to data sharing.
      - ivan_gammel 2y ago
        > Outdated, how? Based on rare encounters with data processors outside of EU. They sell their products to me based on the knowledge that is at least 10 years old (and they use some old contacts for it). > I just gave an example Irrelevant. I‘m talking only about my experience, because I‘m actively exercising my rights under GDPR and similar privacy laws. > GDPR hasn't stopped companies from collecting the data GDPR made it illegal to collect it without unambiguous consent. If you want privacy, you can get it. As I can see from the inside sources, every big business in EU cares about compliance. Startups usually take a risk-based approach, but they don’t dare to sell the data and mostly compromise on security until they get bigger. Overall, here it is much safer and saner environment, if you don’t consent to marketing stuff. All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up.
        rglullis 2y ago
        > All you need is to read the label on the checkbox when you sign up. Your first comment was arguing "tracking doesn't exist in the EU, because we have regulations for it". Now this here is a much weaker version of the argument, because it means "data tracking can be avoided if you are always vigilant and practice good Internet hygiene". You might believe that you are protected, but what I am saying is that even those aware of tracking might end up getting a lot of their data collected via those that are not.