Lol being in the industry, it gets better than that. Sometimes IT isn't even consulted. The engineers with no IT background will just buy equipment and shove

Lol being in the industry, it gets better than that. Sometimes IT isn't even consulted. The engineers with no IT background will just buy equipment and shove it in without a second thought. Lord knows where they get the equipment at that point. I had a network guy I know at another defense contractor once tell me he just came back from a IT freakout because engineering was just finishing a classified project and they literally never told IT about all the internal networking it contains. Apparently the IT guys themselves spent a weekend even installing steel plates over the network panels to the networking in a hurry to cover their bases. Lol