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If it was that profitable then it would be cheaper? That doesn't even remotely make sense in the most superficial ways. I don't even understand how you'd think
by chefandy 2y ago
If it was that profitable then it would be cheaper? That doesn't even remotely make sense in the most superficial ways. I don't even understand how you'd think it does.
Maybe if there were infinite housing options? But housing supply is extremely low in the US in large part because larger corporations are buying up huge swaths of housing and turning it into rental housing... Because it's really really profitable. And since supply is low and prices are high, it's not possible for most renters to buy houses. Nobody rents because it's cheaper overall, they rent because you don't need tens of thousands of dollars upfront for a down payment, plus a great credit score. That is, unless you're in Boston or the like where you must pay first months rent, last months rent, a security deposit, and a realtor fee generally equal to one months rent, meaning for that relatively reasonable $3k 2br apartment, you need $12k upfront to move in. So why don't they just buy it? Because buying a 2 or 3br market rate flat in Boston or the surrounding municipalities would cost maybe from $700k to $2m. The further surrounding areas are only slightly cheaper and by the time you hit more affordable places, your looking at a 90 to 120 minute car commute each direction.
You either don't understand the math or you're not interested in understanding the math and just want to justify gouging people. Like I said, I own the exact type of building that most landlords own in the urban northeast. In fact, it was an absentee landlord rental building for decades and hasn't structurally changed since it was. I know EXACTLY how much it costs to operate this building, and how much labor it takes. That hand-wavy "but it's so expensive and takes so much work" garbage doesn't work on me. It's not labor-free and it costs money, especially if a roof needs to be repaired or the like, but that's true in all businesses and if you don't prepare for it well enough to not be a disaster when it happens, or you buy an instanely unreliable and maintenance-heavy building, that's not your customers fault. Even in our flat-roofed old timber-framed triple-decker, our very healthy and responsibly funded major repair savings and building expenses fund (roof repair, insurance, snow removal, water damage repair, etc) takes in a little over 5% of what our rental income would be in this fairly inexpensive market, and aside from the gardening and cleanup in the courtyard, we contribute nearly no labor outside of our own units.
There's a culture of entitlement among landlords, at least in the US, that completely skews their understanding of what they deserve for what they put in to something. You show real plausible expenses or labor that I don't have in my 19th century timber-framed building that most other landlords have, then I'll happily change my perspective. I've asked for that every time I've had this conversation but it just doesn't materialize.
You want to see what a lot of labor and expense for the amount of profit looks like? Look at the Eater article where the owner of Mei Mei in Boston details her P&L.
- asdefghyk 2y agoRE "...And since supply is low and prices are high....." What exactly is constraining supply of new dwellings.? What is being done to create supply? How did this low supply come about. Most likely a series of several events has existed to several degrees for several years to create the supply issue. In my area vacancy rate can be used to measure supply. A vacancy rate of 3% is regarded as fair supply balance between property owners and people wanting to rent. Currently in my area supply is 0.8% - this means there is many more people seeking to rent a house that houses actually available for rent. In my area , the housing crisis is attributed ( in my opinion ) to certain government policies ( federal , state, local government ) policies.
- chefandy 2y agoNobody price gouges unless market forces let them. It simply wouldn't work. And they also didn't create the situation that allowed them to price gouge. Yet, it's still price gouging. "But the market" is not a defense against accusations of price gouging.
- asdefghyk 2y agoIm saying in my part of the world. The costs of providing the building and actually renting to a tenant can consume a large part ( easily 50% plus for me ) of the gross yearly rent- ( and that does not include any cost of borrowed funds. or the expected return in invested funds ) My observation is lots costs are missed and not accounted for.
- bugglebeetle 2y agoAnd the rent is paid by the tenants while the equity accrues to the owner. That’s it’s an investment with variable ROI is not anyone’s problem but the investor who stuck their money in this asset class instead of something else. No one is guaranteed a specific return on investment.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago>No one is guaranteed a specific return on investment. Indeed, And nobody is guaranteed housing. Landlord profits are arbitrage between 1) long term and short term financial obligation, 2) High credit and low credit individuals, 3) high and low assets at stake. Just like how a bank makes a % interest for taking risk and providing capital that owners wont, landlords do the same thing. Landlords get paid a profit to take on risk and long term liability (to the bank), and again provide capital. In short, banks loan cash to landlords because they are more credit worthy and take on liability. They in tern loan a home to renters, who have worse credit and much less liability. It is all about paying a premium for others to take on financial risk.