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It's also what's wrong with the 'self esteem' movement. If everyone is taught how special they are, it sets them up for humiliation, shame, and possible violen

It's also what's wrong with the 'self esteem' movement. If everyone is taught how special they are, it sets them up for humiliation, shame, and possible violence or radical identity politics when they find out they are not, other than being unique.

keepamovin 2y ago
Are there that many violent offenders walking around thinking there so special? Like the problem with their childhood is that people treated them so well they just had such a high self-esteem??? but didn’t do anything to justify it? That’s not my impression of violent offenders but I’m no expert.
- jacknews 2y ago
  Isn't this exactly what the article is saying, the problem is when people don't get the respect they think they deserve in some incident.
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Huh? Which part of the article is saying that specifically??? They think they deserve? I don't think the article questions the validity of their desire to be treated with respect...only the validity of violence as response. So... sounds like you think self esteem is the problem? So people should not expect to be treated with respect? That seems like the kind of toxic position. But I also think it's confusing the main issue: it seems unlikely that violent offenders are the type of people who were raised with an abundance of self esteem, you think they were treated so well that they felt so great about themselves that they reached for violence in response to insult? I'm no expert, but my view of violent offenders is they must come from very difficult circumstances, in general. Cycle of violence, right? Or you don't think so? Hahaha! :) Kind of sounds like you're saying self esteem is the problem that leads to violence? So you think people shouldn't expect to be treated well? To not be humiliated? Shamed? Disrespected? I think the problem is more: who is doing this humiliation, shaming and disrespect and that the response to that should not be violence. On the whole tho it does not seem that people raised in a feel good environment, with an abundance of self-esteem would reach for violence as the response to not being treated well. The problem is not self esteem, but rather the abusers who are humiliating, shaming, and dispecting, or normalizing that -- and the choice of violence as response to that.
  - locopati 2y ago
    as Margaret Atwood said, 'men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them' which group are the delicate snowflakes really?
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      Hahahaha! :) Sure, but if that's true isn't saying "delicate snowflakes" judging that? I mean, we should respect people's reasonable feelings right? Otherwise that would be abusive. Shaming people for having feelings by calling them 'delicate snowflakes'? Part of the problem. Hahahaha! :) Otherwise that normalizes dismissing/minimizing people's feelings and saying 'oh it's not the abuse/shaming/humiliation that's the problem, it's how they feel about that that's the problem.' I mean, that's not good. That's like victim blaming, right? Hahaha! :) I mean, me, as a man, I'm not afraid of women laughing at me. I like women laughing at me, that's good right? But I am afraid of them being cruel, lyin' about me, and lawfare: you know, alimony, that kind of stuff. Although, so far, I have a had lot of luck with many of the women in my life and I've no complaints about women in general. Tho those are some things to watch out for, I think - judging by the experience of others! Hahaha! :) I mean it's catchy what Margaret Atwood says, but not sure how true that is. Kind of biased tho? Hahahaha! :) have a good one eh :)

keepamovin 2y ago

Are there that many violent offenders walking around thinking there so special? Like the problem with their childhood is that people treated them so well they just had such a high self-esteem??? but didn’t do anything to justify it? That’s not my impression of violent offenders but I’m no expert.

jacknews 2y ago
Isn't this exactly what the article is saying, the problem is when people don't get the respect they think they deserve in some incident.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Huh? Which part of the article is saying that specifically??? They think they deserve? I don't think the article questions the validity of their desire to be treated with respect...only the validity of violence as response. So... sounds like you think self esteem is the problem? So people should not expect to be treated with respect? That seems like the kind of toxic position. But I also think it's confusing the main issue: it seems unlikely that violent offenders are the type of people who were raised with an abundance of self esteem, you think they were treated so well that they felt so great about themselves that they reached for violence in response to insult? I'm no expert, but my view of violent offenders is they must come from very difficult circumstances, in general. Cycle of violence, right? Or you don't think so? Hahaha! :) Kind of sounds like you're saying self esteem is the problem that leads to violence? So you think people shouldn't expect to be treated well? To not be humiliated? Shamed? Disrespected? I think the problem is more: who is doing this humiliation, shaming and disrespect and that the response to that should not be violence. On the whole tho it does not seem that people raised in a feel good environment, with an abundance of self-esteem would reach for violence as the response to not being treated well. The problem is not self esteem, but rather the abusers who are humiliating, shaming, and dispecting, or normalizing that -- and the choice of violence as response to that.
- locopati 2y ago
  as Margaret Atwood said, 'men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them' which group are the delicate snowflakes really?
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    Hahahaha! :) Sure, but if that's true isn't saying "delicate snowflakes" judging that? I mean, we should respect people's reasonable feelings right? Otherwise that would be abusive. Shaming people for having feelings by calling them 'delicate snowflakes'? Part of the problem. Hahahaha! :) Otherwise that normalizes dismissing/minimizing people's feelings and saying 'oh it's not the abuse/shaming/humiliation that's the problem, it's how they feel about that that's the problem.' I mean, that's not good. That's like victim blaming, right? Hahaha! :) I mean, me, as a man, I'm not afraid of women laughing at me. I like women laughing at me, that's good right? But I am afraid of them being cruel, lyin' about me, and lawfare: you know, alimony, that kind of stuff. Although, so far, I have a had lot of luck with many of the women in my life and I've no complaints about women in general. Tho those are some things to watch out for, I think - judging by the experience of others! Hahaha! :) I mean it's catchy what Margaret Atwood says, but not sure how true that is. Kind of biased tho? Hahahaha! :) have a good one eh :)