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So bees play, hence they are conscious. But a lot of animals play and they are oblivious to themselves (not self conscious).
by jowdones 2y ago
So bees play, hence they are conscious. But a lot of animals play and they are oblivious to themselves (not self conscious).
- uoaei 2y agoTo be conscious and to be self-conscious (sentient) are different things.
- m3kw9 2y agoBees are conscious because we assume they are playing and can’t imagine any other reasons on why they did what they did.
- steve_taylor 2y ago“We don’t know, therefore consciousness” sounds an awful lot like “We don’t know, therefore God”.
- jhbadger 2y agoAnd play isn't "useless". It's not surprising that a lot of play (cats and dogs pouncing on toys, puppies and kittens wrestling with each other) is obvious practice for things they do when they aren't playing.
- justinclift 2y agoGood point. There must be some as-yet-undiscovered football league for bees, for when they're not just playing around. ;)
- yungporko 2y agomost maybe, but definitely not all play is practice for anything. a crow sliding down a roof on its back in the snow over and over again for fun isn't practice for anything it ever needs to do, and neither is instigating a fight between 2 cats just to watch, probably.
- newzisforsukas 2y agoMaybe bees get akathisia from spherical objects.
- Arn_Thor 2y agoThey explain this in the article. These scientists talk about a basic level of consciousness that does not include a notion of self. This would put the bees in the same category with animals that experience for example pleasure and pain but have no notion of self. You may disagree with calling that consciousness, but it is at least consistent