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It’s hard for me to see how the tenant would go about negotiating that solution, though. How would you, as a tenant, present that option in a way that doesn’t j
by mistercow 2y ago
It’s hard for me to see how the tenant would go about negotiating that solution, though. How would you, as a tenant, present that option in a way that doesn’t just sound like blackmail? I bet there’s a way to do it, but it’s clearly a much easier sell from a disinterested third party who the landlord identifies as being in their in-group.
- roenxi 2y ago> How would you, as a tenant, present that option in a way that doesn’t just sound like blackmail? If you don't want to sound like you're blackmailing [0] someone, don't blackmail them? Walking away is a real option for the tenant here. But you can still be polite about the whole thing. You can blackmail someone and still have everyone be friends afterwards. Just make it clear it isn't personal, you like the landlord as a person, think they're fantastic [1], and that they're going to have to give you money for you to go away because the vicissitudes of fate have placed them over a barrel. They get karmic points and a good story for their next cocktail party. [0] I was surprised to learn that blackmail might indeed be the correct word. I thought it would be technically wrong but it seems to work. I'd use extortion if I wasn't prompted though. [1] Lie if required.
- frumper 2y agoHey, I’ve got some expenses to move. Moving costs, taking time off work, etc. How about we help each other. I’ll move out like you want and you kick in $X to help me through the process.
- ricardobeat 2y agoSounds like blackmail, exactly as suggested by the other comments.
- antisthenes 2y agoI'd say the way it sounds depends entirely on the prior relationship. ~ Good tenant - negotiation. ~ Bad tenant - extortion.
- frumper 2y agoIf the landlord is wanting something that benefits them and conveys that to the tenets then it’s reasonable for the tenant to communicate their concerns and what would help the landlord get what they want.
- wolverine876 2y agoHow is that blackmail? It seems like that would make every business deal blackmail.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI think the difference is breaking contract. Few business deals can exist if you have unilateral renegotiation at any point.
- mistercow 2y agoI think there’s also a psychological difference in the direction you’re asking the money to go. For purely rational agents, it might all be about expected value, but for humans, a tenant asking a landlord to pay them is likely to be seen as outrageous, particularly when the landlord hasn’t done anything wrong.
- s1artibartfast 2y agoI think it is less the direction and more the pre-existing contract. Nobody batts an eye if a tenant offers to fix the sink for $100. If the tenant offers not to break the sink for $100, that is entirely different.
- smsm42 2y agoThe business deal was you pay rent, and when the contract ends you get out. Now you're changing the deal unilaterally and threatening to occupy somebody's property without contract and without paying, unless you're given additional payments. It's certainly not like every business deal.
- em-bee 2y agomost people who rent have no intention to move out but expect the contract to be renewed. in some jurisdictions this is even enforced by law. so they are not changing the deal unilaterally. in fact the landlord who wants the renter to move out is the one who is unilaterally changing the deal.
- asdefghyk 2y agoId offer to physically help. But not hand over any money. Could even move smaller items in my small van. would take several trips however.