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Sounds like the supercharger team didn't have a good project management system. Any large entity that doesn't know the contract status, percent complete, and v

Sounds like the supercharger team didn't have a good project management system. Any large entity that doesn't know the contract status, percent complete, and vendor status for it's construction is wacked. Either the new people don't know where the info is stored, or the old people were indeed incompetent and needed to be fired.

hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
Or maybe if you fire EVERYBODY there’s no one to onboard new people, or even anybody left who has a login. Elon needs to go, EV adoption is an important goal for species survival, he’s actively damaging those goals now - even if he did help kick off the revolution he’s now more net negative than positive as a CEO.
- haileys 2y ago
  No. EV adoption is an important goal for the car industry's survival. If we're talking about the species' survival, I sure hope we can adopt a broader vision than taking a land-hungry and energy-intensive mode of transport, and changing nothing about it except for making it run on batteries.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    At this point I am not sure EVs are the best option in short to medium term. Outside of the US there is still a legitimate fear of range anxiety made worse by Musk's announcement. It seems to me that widespread deployment of hybrids where 95% of daily driving is done on batteries is a more workable approach.
    - haileys 2y ago
      Yes, a smarter mix of options is the way to go. Cars are a one-size-fits-all approach that can't hope to achieve what we need for a sustainable future. In Perth, Australia, two thirds of all car trips are for distances of less than 5 kilometers. Using cars for these trips is both irrational and a hopelessly profligate use of resources, regardless of how they're powered. 5 kilometers is the kind of distance where even pedal bicycles are competitive with cars in terms of trip time, especially once you factor in traffic. And e-bikes are only getting cheaper and more accessible too.
    - dgoldstein0 2y ago
      Inside the us there's also quite a bit of range anxiety. It's one of the larger adoption hold ups. That and price.
  - imperialdrive 2y ago
    Thank you for raising that, we need less cars! (More bicycles and related infrastructure would be nice) :D
    - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
      Less cars is a worthy goal for some people in some places for some activities, and works in tandem with making the cars we do have better.
      - sumeno 2y ago
        83% of the US lives in urban areas and the US has the highest transport emissions in the world. "This doesn't work for literally everyone so let's do this other thing that isn't as good"
        hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
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    - ta_1138 2y ago
      Bicycles win when the level of density is still relatively low. If we are serious about efficiency, bikes don't make that more sense. Sufficient density so that most activity can be done on foot, and the rest is mass transit.
  - financetechbro 2y ago
    Patiently waiting for a train revolution
    - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
      California high speed is happening slowly but surely. I think by 2030 the Central Valley will have a real HS line, and while that leaves out SFB/LA, Central Valley is fastest growing population. Likewise the LA/Vegas line looks like a real money maker on paper.
  - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
    Tell it to the large percentage of humanity who doesn’t live in a city; many of whom grow the food you eat, and ship it to your local shop in a truck. There is no one-shot solution, motorized vehicles are not going away, but switching to EV is an absolute must.
- fmobus 2y ago
  > EV adoption is an important goal for species survival Private transportation will always be unsustainable, regardless of power source. More ambitious goals are necessary.
  - matthewdgreen 2y ago
    EV transportation is a gateway to large-scale renewable energy storage, so even if you dislike private transportation this is actually pretty damn useful. On the other hand the (mostly Chinese) battery suppliers seem to have entered the fast part of the S-curve, so maybe Tesla isn't critical anymore -- except maybe to the competitiveness of the US in these areas.
    - fmobus 2y ago
      > if you dislike private transportation not a dislike, but a principled and objective position. Future investment in that modal should be zero.
riku_iki 2y ago
> the old people were indeed incompetent or were building job security, since there are troubles to replace them now
afavour 2y ago
If what you’re saying was true (which I doubt) the responsibility will still fall on Musk, both for having let the situation go on for as long as it did and for laying off all the workers with absolutely no contingency plan.
- netsharc 2y ago
  Gotta love the Elon apologist trying to twist things so the almighty Elon is never wrong. At least he's probably convinced himself that Elon is still the GOAT.
stubish 2y ago
New people? Do you honestly think they have replaced an entire team in the few days since firing the last one? Only people in the building able to log into the project management system are likely Elon and the sysadmins.
rightbyte 2y ago
Like I would read some Jira and get up to speed. Hit the road running. Even with the most competently run department it would take months to get a grasp on their projects.

hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago

Or maybe if you fire EVERYBODY there’s no one to onboard new people, or even anybody left who has a login. Elon needs to go, EV adoption is an important goal for species survival, he’s actively damaging those goals now - even if he did help kick off the revolution he’s now more net negative than positive as a CEO.

haileys 2y ago
No. EV adoption is an important goal for the car industry's survival. If we're talking about the species' survival, I sure hope we can adopt a broader vision than taking a land-hungry and energy-intensive mode of transport, and changing nothing about it except for making it run on batteries.
- threeseed 2y ago
  At this point I am not sure EVs are the best option in short to medium term. Outside of the US there is still a legitimate fear of range anxiety made worse by Musk's announcement. It seems to me that widespread deployment of hybrids where 95% of daily driving is done on batteries is a more workable approach.
  - haileys 2y ago
    Yes, a smarter mix of options is the way to go. Cars are a one-size-fits-all approach that can't hope to achieve what we need for a sustainable future. In Perth, Australia, two thirds of all car trips are for distances of less than 5 kilometers. Using cars for these trips is both irrational and a hopelessly profligate use of resources, regardless of how they're powered. 5 kilometers is the kind of distance where even pedal bicycles are competitive with cars in terms of trip time, especially once you factor in traffic. And e-bikes are only getting cheaper and more accessible too.
  - dgoldstein0 2y ago
    Inside the us there's also quite a bit of range anxiety. It's one of the larger adoption hold ups. That and price.
- imperialdrive 2y ago
  Thank you for raising that, we need less cars! (More bicycles and related infrastructure would be nice) :D
  - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
    Less cars is a worthy goal for some people in some places for some activities, and works in tandem with making the cars we do have better.
    - sumeno 2y ago
      83% of the US lives in urban areas and the US has the highest transport emissions in the world. "This doesn't work for literally everyone so let's do this other thing that isn't as good"
      - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
        [flagged]
  - ta_1138 2y ago
    Bicycles win when the level of density is still relatively low. If we are serious about efficiency, bikes don't make that more sense. Sufficient density so that most activity can be done on foot, and the rest is mass transit.
- financetechbro 2y ago
  Patiently waiting for a train revolution
  - hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
    California high speed is happening slowly but surely. I think by 2030 the Central Valley will have a real HS line, and while that leaves out SFB/LA, Central Valley is fastest growing population. Likewise the LA/Vegas line looks like a real money maker on paper.
- hehdhdjehehegwv 2y ago
  Tell it to the large percentage of humanity who doesn’t live in a city; many of whom grow the food you eat, and ship it to your local shop in a truck. There is no one-shot solution, motorized vehicles are not going away, but switching to EV is an absolute must.
fmobus 2y ago
> EV adoption is an important goal for species survival Private transportation will always be unsustainable, regardless of power source. More ambitious goals are necessary.
- matthewdgreen 2y ago
  EV transportation is a gateway to large-scale renewable energy storage, so even if you dislike private transportation this is actually pretty damn useful. On the other hand the (mostly Chinese) battery suppliers seem to have entered the fast part of the S-curve, so maybe Tesla isn't critical anymore -- except maybe to the competitiveness of the US in these areas.
  - fmobus 2y ago
    > if you dislike private transportation not a dislike, but a principled and objective position. Future investment in that modal should be zero.

riku_iki 2y ago

> the old people were indeed incompetent or were building job security, since there are troubles to replace them now

afavour 2y ago

If what you’re saying was true (which I doubt) the responsibility will still fall on Musk, both for having let the situation go on for as long as it did and for laying off all the workers with absolutely no contingency plan.

netsharc 2y ago
Gotta love the Elon apologist trying to twist things so the almighty Elon is never wrong. At least he's probably convinced himself that Elon is still the GOAT.

stubish 2y ago

New people? Do you honestly think they have replaced an entire team in the few days since firing the last one? Only people in the building able to log into the project management system are likely Elon and the sysadmins.

rightbyte 2y ago

Like I would read some Jira and get up to speed. Hit the road running. Even with the most competently run department it would take months to get a grasp on their projects.