You're completely misrepresenting what I said. I'm not telling you "Hey, use this like you'd use Photoshop." I'm telling you "Click the link before you start tr

You're completely misrepresenting what I said. I'm not telling you "Hey, use this like you'd use Photoshop." I'm telling you "Click the link before you start trashing the thing." Aviary's people are pretty forthcoming about their product. They aim for hobbyists, not professionals. They've repeatedly said that they're not a Photoshop clone and that they don't expect to ever be as powerful as Photoshop. Rather, they aim to offer some of the most oft-used Photoshop techniques - including some that no other service online offers - and they do a damn good job at it. When I say that something "works like Photoshop online," I expect people will understand that I mean "works with layers, allows for subtle image manipulation, churns out fairly high-quality images." Of course it's not literally Photoshop. But it does a lot of very neat stuff. Oh, yeah, forgot to add. They're not "just a photoshop clone", they're nowhere near Photoshop 1.0 clone. Again: way to utterly disregard what I said. They offer a lot of tools, and all their tools are damn impressive considering they're designed to run online. Yeah, you can ignore that and say that I'm a fuck-up because I used the word Photoshop when submitting. Or, you could cut with the ranting, because on Hacker News people usually respond well to polite, civil discourse, and look at it for what it is, which is a pretty impressive offering. I think Peacock, the procedural generator, is actually more impressive than Phoenix, which is the raster editor. there is only one online app I can use No. There's only one you do use. If you need a calendar, there are impressive online alternatives. If you want a to-do list, the same. RSS reading: online alternatives that work better in some ways than desktop clients. Word processors and slide editors: Buzzword and 280Slides. Gmail's good, yeah, but frankly, Mail.app is better than it in every way that matters to me, and so your offering Gmail as the "only offline app" is just empty posturing. How about we drop this: you can apologize for being a dick when you didn't have to be, and I'll apologize for using the name "Photoshop" in vain. Because this is a much better site than this snipefest would let on, and we could both be wasting our time much more efficiently. Peace?