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Students in the US are now getting their bodies hurt (not to mention the legal and career-ending consequences) by hundreds to thousands of policemen for the sim

Students in the US are now getting their bodies hurt (not to mention the legal and career-ending consequences) by hundreds to thousands of policemen for the simple crime of protesting a genocide happening half-way around the globe, let's cut the charade, it doesn't help anyone.

alephnerd 3y ago
Yea, and what does Chinese police do to protesters? Be it the White Paper protests in Shanghai and Beijing in 2022 [0], the wave of ethnic Mongol protests in 2020-21 [1], etc. Police will inevitably crack down on protests everywhere, yet protests continue to happen on a daily basis in the US with minimal long term ramifications. Also, none of what you pointed out actually refutes my points above about internet censorship, and as such clearly shows an attempt at whataboutism. P.S. Both HRW [2] and Amnesty [3] have unequivocally voiced their support for the right to protest in the US, and as such if you try to say "oh human rights organizations are a tool of the west" it's complete bullshit. [0] - https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/26/china-free-white-paper-protesters https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/26/china-free-white-paper-p... [1] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/3086/2020/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/3086/2020/en/ [2] - https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/26/us-universities-should-respect-right-protest https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/26/us-universities-should-r... [3] - https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/amnesty-international-urges-university-administrations-to-respect-and-protect-students-rights-to-protest/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/amnesty-internatio...
TulliusCicero 3y ago
No they're not. They're being removed by police for setting up encampments on private property. You can't just start setting up tents wherever you want on private land and taking over the area. It might still be a bad idea to remove them, but if they were just doing standard protests in public areas, it'd be much less of an issue.
- paganel 3y ago
  So you're saying the Chinese authorities were right in evacuating the Tiananmen Square, after all you cannot forcefully block public places without the proper authorization either. Like I said, let's cut the charade and look at the facts.
  - AnimalMuppet 3y ago
    Absolute freedom exists nowhere. Absolute unfreedom also exists nowhere. Still, some places are more free than others. alephnerd made a number of comparisons of the US to China; you have refuted none of them. You merely complain that the US is not absolutely free of consequences for your actions. Well, that's true, but if that's what you're looking for, try an uninhabited island (and you may not even find it there).
  - TulliusCicero 3y ago
    lol, "evacuating". Come the fuck on. Merely arresting people and forcing them out of the square would've meant it would be a blip in history. The Tiananmen Square massacre is famous because it was a massacre. Even official figures said that hundreds of people died.

alephnerd 3y ago

Yea, and what does Chinese police do to protesters? Be it the White Paper protests in Shanghai and Beijing in 2022 [0], the wave of ethnic Mongol protests in 2020-21 [1], etc. Police will inevitably crack down on protests everywhere, yet protests continue to happen on a daily basis in the US with minimal long term ramifications. Also, none of what you pointed out actually refutes my points above about internet censorship, and as such clearly shows an attempt at whataboutism. P.S. Both HRW [2] and Amnesty [3] have unequivocally voiced their support for the right to protest in the US, and as such if you try to say "oh human rights organizations are a tool of the west" it's complete bullshit. [0] - https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/26/china-free-white-paper-protesters https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/26/china-free-white-paper-p... [1] - https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/3086/2020/en/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/asa17/3086/2020/en/ [2] - https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/26/us-universities-should-respect-right-protest https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/26/us-universities-should-r... [3] - https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/amnesty-international-urges-university-administrations-to-respect-and-protect-students-rights-to-protest/ https://www.amnestyusa.org/press-releases/amnesty-internatio...

TulliusCicero 3y ago

No they're not. They're being removed by police for setting up encampments on private property. You can't just start setting up tents wherever you want on private land and taking over the area. It might still be a bad idea to remove them, but if they were just doing standard protests in public areas, it'd be much less of an issue.

paganel 3y ago
So you're saying the Chinese authorities were right in evacuating the Tiananmen Square, after all you cannot forcefully block public places without the proper authorization either. Like I said, let's cut the charade and look at the facts.
- AnimalMuppet 3y ago
  Absolute freedom exists nowhere. Absolute unfreedom also exists nowhere. Still, some places are more free than others. alephnerd made a number of comparisons of the US to China; you have refuted none of them. You merely complain that the US is not absolutely free of consequences for your actions. Well, that's true, but if that's what you're looking for, try an uninhabited island (and you may not even find it there).
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  lol, "evacuating". Come the fuck on. Merely arresting people and forcing them out of the square would've meant it would be a blip in history. The Tiananmen Square massacre is famous because it was a massacre. Even official figures said that hundreds of people died.