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> And why is it that you cannot link to what I ask for? Because I don't have time to grovel through everything I've ever posted to find examples where I conced

by lisper 2y ago

> And why is it that you cannot link to what I ask for? Because I don't have time to grovel through everything I've ever posted to find examples where I conceded a point. > Remember your claim above? Yes. What does that have to do with anything? That wasn't a reply to you, that was a reply to /u/stroganoff, whereupon /u/stroganoff conceded the point. So what is your point???

mistermann 2y ago
> Because I don't have time to grovel through everything I've ever posted to find examples where I conceded a point. Is that the only reason you are unable? Are you sure such examples exist? >> Remember your claim above? > Yes. What does that have to do with anything? Why would you not know the answer to this? You know the answer to everything that's been presented to you, do you not? (Well, except for the substantial amount of questions that have been asked of you throughout these various conversations, by myself and others, that you have dodged. Or the cases where you have asserted that you possess knowledge, but are unwilling to respond to challenges to such claims.) > So what is your point??? I believe it is possible that: a) you are not perfectly rational. b) you are conducting yourself in these internet conversations as if you are. c) you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge. Do you believe that I may be on to something, at least possibly?
- lisper 2y ago
  > Is that the only reason you are unable? I'm not unable, I am unwilling. > Are you sure such examples exist? Yes. Here is one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40250568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40250568 I try hard not to be wrong, but when I am, I have no problem admitting it. > You know the answer to everything that's been presented to you, do you not? So far. > except for the substantial amount of questions that have been asked of you throughout these various conversations, by myself and others, that you have dodged Like what? > Or the cases where you have asserted that you possess knowledge, but are unwilling to respond to challenges to such claims. Like what? > you are not perfectly rational. Of course I'm not. I never said otherwise. That's just ridiculous. No human is perfectly rational. > you are conducting yourself in these internet conversations as if you are Well, I try very hard to be as rational as I can be, and I think I'm getting better at it with practice. But I'm still not perfect, and I never will be. > you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof. The fact that you think you have such a basis indicates that you are, at the very least, making some unwarranted assumptions. (But I would wager (if we could find a way to adjudicate it) that my understanding of belief and knowledge is a lot deeper than you think.) > Do you believe that I may be on to something, at least possibly? No. I think that you once again have failed to do your homework. If you will recall, I smacked you down for that once before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40111778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40111778 Proceed with caution if you don't want a repeat.
  - mistermann 2y ago
    >> you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge > Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof. I think it goes without saying that you believe this claim to be true. Truly amazing.
    - lisper 2y ago
      What exactly is amazing about it?
      - mistermann 2y ago
        The irony of it.
        lisper 2y ago
        Why is it ironic?
        mistermann 2y ago
        I propose that there is irony contained within the italicized part (in particular): > Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof.
        lisper 2y ago
        OK, fair enough. I will rephrase: I don't see any plausible mechanism by which you could know this, though I do concede that there are some possibilities. Maybe you have ESP. Maybe you have access to secret alien brain scanning technology. Maybe you hired a private investigator to suss out the depth of my understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge (though how he might have done this without my being aware of it remains a bit of a mystery). I have no idea. So yes, it's possible that you have some basis for believing that I "do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge". It's also possible that the earth is flat. But if you want me to take either possibility seriously then the burden is on you to explain it to me. Until you do that, the most plausible explanation I have for your behavior, and the one I am now going to start acting on, is that you are simply a troll.
strogonoff 2y ago
You misspelled my username, and I did not actually concede the point. It was past midnight here at the time. I only corrected part of my comment, but I still do disagree with your point.
- lisper 2y ago
  My apologies on both counts. It seemed like a concession to me, but whatever. Just to avoid further misunderstandings, what exactly is it that you disagree with?

by lisper 2y ago

mistermann 2y ago

> Because I don't have time to grovel through everything I've ever posted to find examples where I conceded a point. Is that the only reason you are unable? Are you sure such examples exist? >> Remember your claim above? > Yes. What does that have to do with anything? Why would you not know the answer to this? You know the answer to everything that's been presented to you, do you not? (Well, except for the substantial amount of questions that have been asked of you throughout these various conversations, by myself and others, that you have dodged. Or the cases where you have asserted that you possess knowledge, but are unwilling to respond to challenges to such claims.) > So what is your point??? I believe it is possible that: a) you are not perfectly rational. b) you are conducting yourself in these internet conversations as if you are. c) you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge. Do you believe that I may be on to something, at least possibly?

lisper 2y ago
> Is that the only reason you are unable? I'm not unable, I am unwilling. > Are you sure such examples exist? Yes. Here is one: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40250568 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40250568 I try hard not to be wrong, but when I am, I have no problem admitting it. > You know the answer to everything that's been presented to you, do you not? So far. > except for the substantial amount of questions that have been asked of you throughout these various conversations, by myself and others, that you have dodged Like what? > Or the cases where you have asserted that you possess knowledge, but are unwilling to respond to challenges to such claims. Like what? > you are not perfectly rational. Of course I'm not. I never said otherwise. That's just ridiculous. No human is perfectly rational. > you are conducting yourself in these internet conversations as if you are Well, I try very hard to be as rational as I can be, and I think I'm getting better at it with practice. But I'm still not perfect, and I never will be. > you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof. The fact that you think you have such a basis indicates that you are, at the very least, making some unwarranted assumptions. (But I would wager (if we could find a way to adjudicate it) that my understanding of belief and knowledge is a lot deeper than you think.) > Do you believe that I may be on to something, at least possibly? No. I think that you once again have failed to do your homework. If you will recall, I smacked you down for that once before. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40111778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40111778 Proceed with caution if you don't want a repeat.
- mistermann 2y ago
  >> you do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge > Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof. I think it goes without saying that you believe this claim to be true. Truly amazing.
  - lisper 2y ago
    What exactly is amazing about it?
    - mistermann 2y ago
      The irony of it.
      - lisper 2y ago
        Why is it ironic?
        mistermann 2y ago
        I propose that there is irony contained within the italicized part (in particular): > Those are two topics that I have not yet addressed, so you cannot possibly have any basis for assessing my understanding or lack thereof.
        lisper 2y ago
        OK, fair enough. I will rephrase: I don't see any plausible mechanism by which you could know this, though I do concede that there are some possibilities. Maybe you have ESP. Maybe you have access to secret alien brain scanning technology. Maybe you hired a private investigator to suss out the depth of my understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge (though how he might have done this without my being aware of it remains a bit of a mystery). I have no idea. So yes, it's possible that you have some basis for believing that I "do not have a deep understanding of the subtle and complex differences between belief and knowledge". It's also possible that the earth is flat. But if you want me to take either possibility seriously then the burden is on you to explain it to me. Until you do that, the most plausible explanation I have for your behavior, and the one I am now going to start acting on, is that you are simply a troll.

strogonoff 2y ago

You misspelled my username, and I did not actually concede the point. It was past midnight here at the time. I only corrected part of my comment, but I still do disagree with your point.

lisper 2y ago
My apologies on both counts. It seemed like a concession to me, but whatever. Just to avoid further misunderstandings, what exactly is it that you disagree with?