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Which flashlight app? As far as I know there is no official flashlight app (though recently there is a built in flashlight feature). How is Google responsible f

Which flashlight app? As far as I know there is no official flashlight app (though recently there is a built in flashlight feature). How is Google responsible for a third party app that refuses to work without an internet access?

chimeracoder 2y ago
> Which flashlight app? As far as I know there is no official flashlight app (though recently there is a built in flashlight feature). How is Google responsible for a third party app that refuses to work without an internet access? GP is saying that the Android permissions model requires giving Internet access to any app you install from the Play Store; there isn't a way for an app to request "zero permissions" (or rather, there is, but basic Internet access is a permission granted to all apps, even when zero additional entitlements are requested). That said, this isn't unique to Android. At least as of a few years ago, iOS did more or less the same thing. (You can disable an app's access to the local network, but that's not the same thing as denying (or requiring an app to request) basic network connectivity).
- nickburns 2y ago
  still the same. Alphabet nor Apple have any real incentive to change this (commercial incentivization to maintain it notwithstanding).
  - beeboobaa3 2y ago
    Thats exactly the point that is being made, yes.
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- toast0 2y ago
  Google doesn't let you deny permissions for most of them. As I understand it, apps that use the internet still need an entitlement, it's just that the Google Play store no longer shows that one in the list.
  - chimeracoder 2y ago
    > As I understand it, apps that use the internet still need an entitlement, it's just that the Google Play store no longer shows that one in the list. That's what it is, I think. The Play Store doesn't show it in the list of permissions anymore.
beeboobaa3 2y ago
The hypothetical flashlight app that was used as an example to demonstrate the problem of not being able to take away the permission to access the internet from an app.
- lambdaxyzw 2y ago
  Thank you, I missed the point of GP clearly. I use GrapheneOS and forgot you can't deny network access to an application in a "regular" Android.
cma 2y ago
It's just an example of an app that doesn't need internet access, yes flashlight is so useful it is built in to basically all phones now.

chimeracoder 2y ago

> Which flashlight app? As far as I know there is no official flashlight app (though recently there is a built in flashlight feature). How is Google responsible for a third party app that refuses to work without an internet access? GP is saying that the Android permissions model requires giving Internet access to any app you install from the Play Store; there isn't a way for an app to request "zero permissions" (or rather, there is, but basic Internet access is a permission granted to all apps, even when zero additional entitlements are requested). That said, this isn't unique to Android. At least as of a few years ago, iOS did more or less the same thing. (You can disable an app's access to the local network, but that's not the same thing as denying (or requiring an app to request) basic network connectivity).

nickburns 2y ago
still the same. Alphabet nor Apple have any real incentive to change this (commercial incentivization to maintain it notwithstanding).
- beeboobaa3 2y ago
  Thats exactly the point that is being made, yes.
  - deleted 2y ago
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toast0 2y ago
Google doesn't let you deny permissions for most of them. As I understand it, apps that use the internet still need an entitlement, it's just that the Google Play store no longer shows that one in the list.
- chimeracoder 2y ago
  > As I understand it, apps that use the internet still need an entitlement, it's just that the Google Play store no longer shows that one in the list. That's what it is, I think. The Play Store doesn't show it in the list of permissions anymore.

beeboobaa3 2y ago

The hypothetical flashlight app that was used as an example to demonstrate the problem of not being able to take away the permission to access the internet from an app.

lambdaxyzw 2y ago
Thank you, I missed the point of GP clearly. I use GrapheneOS and forgot you can't deny network access to an application in a "regular" Android.

cma 2y ago

It's just an example of an app that doesn't need internet access, yes flashlight is so useful it is built in to basically all phones now.